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Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by idiotsecant on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @04:23PM (#29490708)
>Most people would rather be able to afford food, clothes, a home, electronic, entertainment, etc, than they would the ability to be critical.

The Chinese 'middle class' standard of medical care ( on average, a lot cheaper but it's also a very basic level of care), financial security, air / water / consumer good safety, access to meaningful education, and freedom of worship / speech / congregation of all types is well under what is typical for a middle class citizen in a western democracy, even including the united states. At around $20,000 USD per year (approx boundary of China's upper middle class) you're in the same general territory as Russia.

Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by vkou on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @04:52PM (#29491022)
The difference is that Russia has been stuck in that quagmire for 30 years[1], whereas in China, most of those people would have been impoverished rural poor, 30 years ago.

When you have observed a colossal material improvement in your life, and you have hope for the future, you can overlook a lot of problems with governance.

[1] Yes, yes, Moscow is not an active disaster zone. Russia does not begin and end in Moscow, though.

Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by wolverine876 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @05:23PM (#29491345)
> When you have observed a colossal material improvement in your life, and you have hope for the future, you can overlook a lot of problems with governance.

It has been long believed to work the other way: Poor people don't have the education or resources to deal with governmance; they are trying to survive, working three jobs (if they can get them), etc. When the middle class expands is typically when democracy blooms.

Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by vkou on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @05:27PM (#29491382)
Democracy doesn't bloom when the middle class expands. Democracy is just one possible outcome of political upheaval - and political upheaval happens when the middle class feels that their situation is hopeless.

Russia's 'middle class' expanded massively since the economic disaster of the 90s, but I would not describe it as being more democratic today than it was in 1995.

A rising middle class isn't why communism fell apart in the 80s, either. It fell apart because the country lost any faith that the system will bring future prosperity.

Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by wolverine876 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @05:33PM (#29491446)
I didn't say that it happened automatically.