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Re:Psychedelics alter metaphysical beliefs by dylan604 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @11:37AM (#29486893)
>The first time I did ... a very close relative to psilocybin,.... It was a 25mg-ish dose.... It was far more intense

You think? Jeebus! Terrance McKenna would call 10mg of psilocybin a heroic dose. Some of the most intense visuals I have ever seen were on 10mg of psilocybin.

So if close relative means that it requires 2.5x more, then okay, but if they are anywhere near 1:1, then that was a freaking monster dose.

Re:Psychedelics alter metaphysical beliefs by tasty_freeze on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:33PM (#29487731)
According to the psychonaut wiki, 25mg is the boundary between common and strong doses.

https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/4-AcO-DMT

In writing this message, I went back to my notes and see that I had taken 20mg, not 25mg, that first time.

I abbreviated my history of experiments in my original message, but I had actually had first tried a different tryptamine in a series of ramped experiments a few weeks apart. It was 4-aco-det, aka ethacetin or ethylacybin. 4mg, then 10mg, then 18mg, then 30mg. I chose that one because my reading indicated it was less intense than 4-aco-dmt. All were underwhelming, with little body load, no open eye visuals, and mild, gossamer closed eyed visuals.

When I switched to 4-aco-dmt I should have ramped as well, but the previous experiments led me to believe that I was a low responder to tryptamines, so I started at 20mg. That is when I learned my lesson to not make assumptions: always ramp with a new substance from a very low dose.

Re:Psychedelics alter metaphysical beliefs by gavinray on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @01:56PM (#29488794)
If you can ever get your hands on it -- might I recommend you give 5-MeO-MiPT a try.

There's not anything quite like it (and it's cognitively mild), either phenethylamine or tryptamine.

Re:Psychedelics alter metaphysical beliefs by gavinray on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:31PM (#29487709)
25mg of 4-AcO-DMT taken orally is roughly equivalent to ~1/8th ounce of mushrooms.

Potency isn't quite as much as crystalline psilocybin (4-HO-DMT).