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Re:Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant by tallanvor on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @11:10AM (#29486470)
"We" are people intelligent to recognize that vaccination against diseases like the flu is a good idea even if we're healthy and unlikely to have significant complications. "We" know that the shot will make it less likely for us to get sick, and that we're more likely to have a mild case if we do get it after being vaccinated. "We" also recognize that getting vaccinated helps reduce the number of people who spread a virus that can be deadly to other members of society, particularly the very young, very old, and those with compromised immune systems.

Getting vaccinated not only helps yourself, it helps those around you.

Re:Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant by potta_coffee on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @11:57AM (#29487174)
I was in the military for years. Vaccines galore for any and every conceivable illness. I was required to have flu shots. Every single flu shot I've had gave me the flu. Full blown sickness, within a day of receiving the shot. Since leaving the military I've not had a flu shot and I've not had the flu. Obviously it's anecdotal but you'll never convince me to start taking flu shots after such repeated experiences.
Re:Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant by bink on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:42PM (#29487834)
That's not how flu shots work. You might have had an immune response that had you feeling down, but flu shots don't give you the flu.
Re:Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant by potta_coffee on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:55PM (#29488028)
It's semantics whether or not full-blown flu symptoms are "the flu" or not; I get the flu shot, then I get sick.
Re:Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant by edmundsauto on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @03:01PM (#29489699)
Except you aren’t going to risk getting very sick (pneumonia) from the vaccinated response. And you aren’t going to give the virus to someone else.
Re:Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant by potta_coffee on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @05:01PM (#29491128)
Enjoy your moral superiority, and I'll enjoy not feeling like dog crap for a week after getting the shot.
Re:Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant by spurgu on Thursday December 09, 2021 @01:16AM (#29494412)
I find it insane that someone would argue against your personal experience like that.

I've had the feeling all along that once we've started getting people forced into perpetual Covid vaccinations it's gonna move into seasonal influenza vaccines. Judging by this discourse my hunch is not far off.

Re:Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant by rixed on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @09:17PM (#29493057)
Why engage in discussions when semantics does not matter?
Re:Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant by paulryanrogers on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:50PM (#29487960)
Technically I think your reaction is from the immune response to the vaccine. Which is unpleasant but not contagious.

Now real flu viruses may have not yet given you symptoms since you stopped vaccinating. But it's possible you're becoming a carrier of the virus that spreads it to more vulnerable people. Some of whom may not be able to get vaccinated.

Re:Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant by potta_coffee on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @01:01PM (#29488106)
It's my choice not to take shots that make me sick, and no I won't take them again. It's unfortunate that some people have fragile health, but it's not really my problem. No amount of brow-beating will make it my problem. No, I'm not a calloused individual that doesn't care about others. I don't believe that anyone is required to undergo medical procedures in order to benefit me, and I will not undergo medical procedures for anyone else, especially considering my experience with those procedures (significant illness, every time).
Re:Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant by rixed on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @09:31PM (#29493125)
Mind you, you sound 100% like someone who do not care about others.

But your decision to not take flu shots sounds totally reasonable given you apparently get a bad adverse reaction every time.

You therefore belong to that group of people whose health is too weak to get vaccinated, I guess.

I hope you won't catch the flu, and will keep getting vaccinated whenever I get the chance since I'm lucky enough that I've never felt any illness from any vaccine (but got flu once and had to stay in bed, half unconscious, for almost a day).

Re:Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant by spurgu on Thursday December 09, 2021 @01:26AM (#29494463)
I don't know what high horse bubble you live in, but in my almost 40 years on this planet I've only met one single person who has ever had a flu shot and he's younger than me. Granted I have to live in another kind of bubble. My currently 70+ year old parents and aunt, as well as my 80+ old mother-in-law, have never had a flu shot (until my aunt this winter).

It definitely has nothing to do with "not caring about others". What a malicious human being you seem to be. The vast majority of people just aren't that worried about the flu. It's a natural part of life for most people. For old people and immunocompromised it's relevant, and for them it's obviously their choice to defend against it - and I've started recommending elders in my community to get flu shots (if they want!), even though it only has around 40% efficacy.

Vaccinating kids or young people? Wow. I was sacked for 2 days both with my first and second jab. Next one I'm just gonna let my immune system ride it out. Arrogant people like you convince me.

Re:Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant by jaywalk on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @11:22AM (#29486657)
"You are not intelligent because you make different personal medical decisions than I do."
Re:Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant by jaspax on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @11:37AM (#29486896)
Indeed. Every time I read a post like the grandparent I move closer to full-blown antivaxx.
Re:Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant by merrywhether on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:05PM (#29487298)
Pedantically, basing your stance purely on being tired of being told what to do _isn’t_ an intelligent strategy. Not saying that’s your entire stance, but emotional contrarianism is not a good reason to update your priors.
Re:Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant by spurgu on Thursday December 09, 2021 @01:13AM (#29494397)
It doesn't help when that thing you're being told to do is constantly changing, and in addition doesn't seem to change where it matters. It seeds doubt and uncertainty, which is surely what we're seeing all around us. No one knows what to do with Covid. And those who claim they do for certainty are sure as hell full of shit.
Re:Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant by trevyn on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @07:22PM (#29492388)
It can move you closer to an environment where you aren’t often told what to do, though.