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Re:RNA Takes Over by uplifter on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @03:48PM (#29478023)
The trend of discovering biological purposes for what were once termed 'junk' DNA (which these RNA are transcribed from) continues.

In addition to the improved understanding of our physical nature, it will be exciting to see what applications are developed for targeting or tricking-out these novel cellular components for pharmaceutical and biotechnological purposes. They are sure to be significant, if our experience with the RNA tech employed in the modeRNA and Pfizer vaccines are any indication.

Personally, as someone who finished his biochemistry degree 2 decades ago (and has mostly worked on the software side of things since), I'm excited for what we'll be able to do with fuller understanding of this molecular machinery, and plan to pivot back into biotech over the next decade.

Re:RNA Takes Over by UncleOxidant on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @03:59PM (#29478156)
It seems that we find more and more 'junk' DNA to not be junk. Whoever was quick to label it 'junk DNA' did so in haste. It would have been a lot more humble to label it 'DNA of unknown function'.
Re:RNA Takes Over by uplifter on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @04:44PM (#29478596)
You made me curious and some quick duckduckgo-ing led me to a biologists involved-if-not-comprehensive investigation of the origins of the term [0].

Long story short, it probably dates to late 1950s Cambridge and may have originated with Francis Crick, co-discoverer of the structure of DNA. Of relevance is that it preceded the discovery of mRNA, dating to a time when all RNA was thought to be ribosomal DNA. At that time the prevailing theory was that DNA codes for RNA that is incorporated into the ribosome (which then makes proteins). Because the amount of RNA code in the ribosome was clearly much less than the amount of DNA code in the genome, the implication was that much of the genome did not code anything, simply as a matter of mathematical difference. The term was controversial early on, and it might even have been coined to be so, though that's less clear.

[0] https://judgestarling.tumblr.com/post/667709690372849664/the...

Re:RNA Takes Over by kzuberi on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @07:37PM (#29480045)
While new discoveries of biological function are fascinating, I don't think it follows that we are overturning the idea of junk DNA (however the phrase was coined). More likely we are converging towards an understanding where most of the genome really is non-functional. Here's a recent accounting [1] of known function suggesting 90% is junk. I wonder how much this differs from our understanding of decades ago, it really may not have changed much at least in terms of broad accounting. Now the potential significance of those little fractional bits of recently uncovered function, well that's a different discussion and more aligned with the original article, which I don't think mentioned junk anyway.

[1] https://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2021/11/whats-in-your-genome-2...

Re:RNA Takes Over by bigodbiel on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @05:14PM (#29478906)
IIRC it was in jest, and then taken as "serious" by mainstream audience, like "god paricle" or "al gore invented the internet".
Re:RNA Takes Over by msla on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @06:52PM (#29479718)
> "al gore invented the internet"

This is politics: If you can claim the Other Guy said something stupid, you can score points against the Other Side.

Re:RNA Takes Over by refurb on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @09:33PM (#29480671)
I mean Al Gore did say something stupid. I don't think he intended it to come across the way it did, but he did say it.
Re:RNA Takes Over by pklausler on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:18AM (#29481512)
“ During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country’s economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.”

That’s what he said. It was not stupid or inaccurate.

Re:RNA Takes Over by refurb on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @02:08AM (#29482011)
"I took the initiative in creating the Internet"

That's stupid and inaccurate. It infers the internet would not exist without his efforts. That's clearly not true.

If he had said "I took the initiative to drive development of the internet" then sure. But "creating" it? No.

Re:RNA Takes Over by questiondev on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @06:42PM (#29479624)
you are right about this, i think HN posted an article on “junk” dna not being “junk” dna after all. this was about a month ago, it may have been on news.google.com if it was not on here, having read science breakthrough stuff throughout the years i was never convinced of that term and was more than cautious when tech subs started talking about how crispr alters “junk” dna, the general consensus before the pandemic was, “this is cool, but we must be careful, this technology may cause unexpected side effects” but during the pandemic or the peak of it, people were like “canon ball”, all caution to the wind. or seemed like caution was thrown to the wind. it’s surprising how fast we adopted this technology but we still gotta question if there is gonna be long term issues. there’s nothing wrong with questioning science, that’s actually what science is about.
Re:RNA Takes Over by smegsicle on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @05:12PM (#29478881)
"dark dna"
Re:RNA Takes Over by m3kw9 on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @06:53PM (#29479732)
If most dna were junk
Re:RNA Takes Over by 1cvmask on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @04:03PM (#29478195)
Well we did rename swamps to wetlands.
Re:RNA Takes Over by J5892 on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @04:22PM (#29478394)
A swamp is a type of wetland. They weren't renamed.
Re:RNA Takes Over by thaumasiotes on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @08:05PM (#29480221)
Well, there is supposedly a distinction between swamps (which are dominated by trees), marshes (which are dominated by grass) and bogs (which have a pH differing from 7). This is already kind of a weird classification scheme, since the trait that defines a bog is so wildly different from the trait that defines swamps and marshes. And then, if you believe in this scheme, "wetlands" is the generic term referring to all of them.

But 1cvmask is actually correct that the generic term was (and still is, outside of specialized scientific terminology) "swamp", and pushing the approach of my earlier paragraph constitutes a renaming.

Re:RNA Takes Over by mc32 on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @10:55PM (#29481085)
Where does muskeg fit in all of this? Also salt marshes which while they may have grasses, are different ecosystems.
Re:RNA Takes Over by sdenton4 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @01:28AM (#29481835)
Sometimes a riparian estuary is just a riparian estuary... Let's call a fen a fen and be done with it...

Would not a bayou by any other name be as mucky?

Re:RNA Takes Over by shigawire on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @04:44PM (#29478594)
I'm in a similar situation but a decade removed. I'm not sure I even remember what I learned previously - how have you retained anything after 2 decades?
Re:RNA Takes Over by uplifter on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @05:13PM (#29478888)
I try to read journal papers every now and then, usually when investigating the source of some news story, or when digging down into the molecular details of a personal health interest. Somewhat contrary to the theme of TFA, I've found that my 20 year old training has provided good mileage in terms of understanding current research. Much of the overarching theory of molecular biology hasn't changed in that time, and a lot of the same techniques are still used, if often miniaturized and scaled, e.g. microarray methods for things I learned to do using blots. For when I find a gap in my knowledge, modern literature search tech facilitates digging down to find related papers that describe newer theories or ones that describe new methods. Often I'll find references to review papers which are essentially designed to get one up to speed on a topic. If anything papers are easier to access now than back when I was in university, wink wink.

Oh, and there are definitely quite a few bored biochemists contributing serious detail to select wikipedia articles. With grain of salt in hand, I've found some pretty high quality descriptions (in terms of detail and ease of understanding) of molecular pathways peppered throughout articles on various topics, which can serve as decent starting points for diving into the literature on those topics.

I'm a far cry from considering myself current on the latest research, but I feel not too far behind and that I can catch up quickly when needed.

Re:RNA Takes Over by ampdepolymerase on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @04:08PM (#29478253)
Molecular biology education needs more funding. Teaching it at scale (and more importantly, communicating new discoveries outside of textbooks) still remains a challenge. Keeping up with the field without reading papers is much harder compared to CS/ML where almost every ML engineer maintains a blog.