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Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by NicoJuicy on Monday December 06, 2021 @10:02PM (#29468699)
Bitcoin can be shorted.

Bitcoin prints money ( eg tether)

Bitcoin just doesn't work. It's centralized now to fix it's issues.

Best of all, none is regulated and the whales hold the power. Even more in the future with proof of stake.

There is more dilution and misunderstanding with crypto in general then I've ever seen.

Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by psychstudio on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @05:48AM (#29471083)
Bitcoin is completely unrelated to tether. Bitcoin is highly decentralised. Bitcoin is not moving to PoS.

I'm not sure what your actual gripe is, but you certainly have no idea what you're talking about.

Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by NicoJuicy on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @10:35AM (#29473533)
Come again? I don't think you know what you're talking about...

Simple example:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tether_(cryptocurrency)

> Research by John M. Griffin and Amin Shams in 2018 suggests that trading associated with increases in the amount of tether and associated trading at the Bitfinex exchange account for about half of the price increase in bitcoin in late 2017.

Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by vultour on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @08:03AM (#29471979)
Bitcoin is absolutely related to tether. Tether mints a billion coins and then exchanges them for bitcoin, voila, bitcoin price goes up.
Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by antb123 on Thursday December 09, 2021 @05:44AM (#29495950)
USDT: $77B USDC, 41 + BUSD 14, + TUSD 1.2 + PAX 1 = $57B and growing faster and follow US regulations.
Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by InvertedRhodium on Monday December 06, 2021 @11:25PM (#29469052)
What is Tethers relationship to Bitcoin? I thought they had their own coin.
Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by boc on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @01:56AM (#29469730)
One Tether is the supposed to be = to one USD which is supposed to be in Tether's bank account somewhere. They have like 16 people total and are based in a mailbox in the Caribbean and nobody in the commercial paper markets have heard of them, despite them being one of the largest buyers in the world (in theory). Their "audits" aren't really audits and there's a ton of sketchiness with the firm they chose last time they ran one.

In practice they basically use their trusted position within an exchange (as the 1-to-1 representation of a US dollar) and simply create new Tethers from thin air, move them to an exchange, buy BTC, pump the price, and essentially act as a stabilizer whenever the price starts tanking. For instance they've printed over $2 Billion worth of Tether since Saturday, with absolutely no evidence that real people actually put $2B into exchanges to buy crypto.

It's an amazing scam since anytime it looks like the floor is about to fall out, they print billions more and keep their position alive by pumping crypto back up.

Anyways the reason it's important is because Tether and other stablecoins are supposed to be the fiat offramp in the event that you want to withdraw money from an exchange. After all, to buy BTC you really first bought Tether (or USDC) and then traded your tether for BTC a minute later. So all of the hard cash in the exchange is supposed to be represented by Tether... guess what happens when people realize their cash isn't actually there 1-to-1 like it was promised? Massive liquidity crises and all cryptocurrency falls 90%+.

Be careful my friend.

Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by Karrot_Kream on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @03:21AM (#29470195)
USDC and Tether are _not_ the same thing. They're collateralized and distributed differently; the only similarity they have is being stablecoins. That's like saying potatoes and carrots are the same thing because they're vegetables.
Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by NicoJuicy on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @11:58AM (#29475004)
There are more similarities:

- Both are not really audited

- Both have retracted claims of being fully USD backed ( only tether had to do it after court and USDC changed it a bit later)

Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by tata71 on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @02:33AM (#29469921)
> nobody in the commercial paper markets have heard of them

You've spoken to Evergrande and friends?

> to buy BTC you really first bought Tether (or USDC) and then traded your tether for BTC a minute later

Nnnnno, not everyone uses sketchy and/or first-gen CEXs...

Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by boc on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @03:15AM (#29470155)
I don't think I need to explain how risky it is to buy subprime commercial paper denominated in non-US currency to back up your USD reserves. It's not like Evergrande is teetering on the verge of a massive default or anything...
Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by tata71 on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @04:34PM (#29478510)
"...but you have heard of me."

Anyway, I agree with you, and hope Tether goes away soon.

Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by NicoJuicy on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @03:28AM (#29470225)
Almost correct.

But they are the exchange, even if they claimed for long they were not.

Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by angusturner on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @12:17AM (#29469286)
A lot of crypto trade (especially on shadier exchanges without KYC or the option to use fiat) is denominated in tether.

Tether keeps printing billions of dollars with no oversight or regulation. They lied about it being backed by cash reserves, and now make a much softer claim that its backed by "some cash" and other assets (other assets include more crypto IIRC).

Basically, it feels like tether is inflating the price of BTC, and the exchanges all have a vested interested in continuing to pretend tether is worth something. If there was a run on tether (i.e. everyone tries to exchange for fiat) it could be catastrophic for all of crypto.

(Disclaimer: I am not a financial expert, and have just picked this up from reading about tether over the last few months).

Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by lottin on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @03:27AM (#29470223)
Most bitcoins are bought with tethers and tethers are issued by Tether inc. Thether inc. claims that tethers are backed by real US dollars, however nobody knows whether this is true and Tether inc. has been shown to have lied about that in the past. In short, the widespread suspicion is that exchanges and other parties are using unbacked tethers to pump the price of bitcoin up.
Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by grey-area on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @03:37AM (#29470268)
Tether inc. claims that tethers are backed by real US dollars

They don't claim that any more. They only claim a tiny percentage is held in cash now, the rest is in 'commercial paper' apparently.

Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by 908087 on Monday December 06, 2021 @11:33PM (#29469092)
Tether's relationship to Bitcoin is that 80%+ of the trade volume in BTC markets is Tether.