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Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by gfodor on Monday December 06, 2021 @06:00PM (#29466876)
You know how most web2 sites never delete data, but just flag it as hidden? The web3 argument is to create systems whereby this is the norm, when one chooses, with the lowest layer being durable and immutable, but a variety of higher level layers (some centralized) having the freedom to mask that data when they choose.

Ultimately, the relevant question is if the root layer of open data systems should allow erasure. There are good arguments to be had on both sides. If you feel that if we don’t have systems that are fundamentally censorproof, the net result will be an eventual all consuming global censorship regime in the limit given enough time, then there is little choice, however.

Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by sanderjd on Monday December 06, 2021 @11:35PM (#29469102)
> You know how most web2 sites never delete data, but just flag it as hidden?

Not the ones I've worked on... Flag as hidden and delete after some number of days is the best practice which I think (and hope) is commonly done?

Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by dredmorbius on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:24PM (#29487595)
This is simply not true.

Practices may vary by organisation and type of removal requests, but the claim that no removals occurs is absolutely false.

For legally-proscribed content, platforms will go to extraordinary lengths to remove not only the backing store but all possible CDN copies of content. This can ammount to millions or billions of items of content (multiple sizes and versions, replicated across multiple geographic locations).

Other instances in which UGC / USC (user generated/supplied content) have been removed are quite public, as with Google's shutdown and data deletion of its Google+ social network.

Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by BadCookie on Monday December 06, 2021 @07:38PM (#29467749)
If the data belongs to an individual consumer, the data must actually be deleted at the customer’s request to comply with GDPR and CCPA.
Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by gfodor on Monday December 06, 2021 @09:05PM (#29468368)
A great theory but in practice in this specific case the legal system will be forced to capitulate. Either a country has to ban all crypto mining or not enforce GDPR on chain nodes. Seems obvious which way it will land in the long run.
Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by not2b on Monday December 06, 2021 @10:14PM (#29468739)
Unless much more energy-efficient methods are developed, it seems in the long term crypto mining is going to be banned almost everywhere. The alternative would be cooking the planet.

Perhaps this problem can be solved somehow, but the alternatives have their problems.

Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by gls2ro on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @12:27AM (#29469325)
I really don't think a legal argument can be made in case of GDPR breach saying "we cannot enforce GDPR because our tech does not support this"

I think if you are a business you should choose technology that allows you to be compliant with the law.

Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by CryptoPunk on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @07:33AM (#29471714)
>>I think if you are a business you should choose technology that allows you to be compliant with the law.

Unless the law violates personal liberty, which GDPR does.

Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by gls2ro on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @09:07AM (#29472567)
How does GDPR violate personal liberty?

I am very curious if you can pinpoint what exactly from it violates personal libery.

Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by CryptoPunk on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @09:55PM (#29480786)
It violates the right to offer a service in exchange for permanent access to the private data the user discloses to you.

It's a cookie cutter rule that restricts contract liberty to create more regimented social interaction.

Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by malermeister on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @03:31PM (#29477824)
It also seems obvious to me, but I don't think we came to the same "obvious" conclusion.
Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by remexre on Monday December 06, 2021 @09:53PM (#29468664)
didn't china already ban mining lmao
Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by cblconfederate on Monday December 06, 2021 @08:09PM (#29467997)
I d like to see them try to enforce the GDPR across the entire internet simultaneously

People should realize that writing a law on a piece of paper doesn't make it real or enforceable

Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by TrackerFF on Monday December 06, 2021 @08:37PM (#29468194)
In many countries, it is possible to force ISPs to block content - and in the end, I guess it's easier for ISPs to simply not offer you their service, than face gov. mandated fines.

It's a bit like cryptocurrencies and banks. Because it becomes such a big burden for banks (to prove that the money obtained by selling crypto is not related to funding terrorism, crime, etc.), many banks simply refuse service to customers dealing with crypto. Either closing accounts, freezing money, or whatever.

Re:Web3? I have my DAOts by cblconfederate on Monday December 06, 2021 @08:53PM (#29468299)
not easy with distributed systemd. That's how the internet upended text / books/ music/ video. and now money