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Re:Is Web3 Bullshit? by gjulianm on Sunday December 05, 2021 @07:49AM (#29448870)
There's a question that isn't answered and that's why would users care about those details of the backend. In the end, a solution can be as technologically elegant as you want, but the thing it really needs to do is improve from the users' point of view. And I don't think it does.

For most people, a decentralized platform will usually be worse (speed, latency), and only very rarely better, than a centralized server. The "paying to access a database" will introduce a lot of issues both for users and developers, no matter how you implement it, for barely any user-facing improvement. And centralized processors appeared to make things easier, so you'd need a payment platform that is as least as easy and, also, that protects you against scams (AFAIK, you can't do too much if someone steals your crypto wallet or you forget the password).

So while I agree that web3 could provide identify + payments, it doesn't need to be technically elegant, but user-facing elegant.

Re:Is Web3 Bullshit? by madsbuch on Sunday December 05, 2021 @11:32AM (#29450468)
Crypto is not binary.

The vast majority Og people will likely use a custodian for their crypto. For them it will feel like banking feels now.

Just like coinbase provide a visa card with collateral i your crypto.

So essentially these questions really are answered -- it is not an all or nothing. We will keep, eg. Visa to facilitate retailer transactions with collateral in, eg., bitcoin. Bow you can dispute and everything and you pay in crypto.

Re:Is Web3 Bullshit? by gjulianm on Sunday December 05, 2021 @02:28PM (#29452181)
The parent is talking about using blockchain not just for payments, but as a building block for the web providing both identity and payments.

Also, why would we want bitcoin or any crypto if most people will just use Visa? How does that achieve decentralization? I doubt the goal of cryptocoins is just "replace the financial backend that big companies use".

Re:Is Web3 Bullshit? by p2p_astroturf on Sunday December 05, 2021 @09:29AM (#29449460)
A BTC wallet is infinitely more user friendly than a banking website that only works in chrome xor firefox and constantly locks you out for reasons they don't want you to know about and severely limits your transfer sizes. If you do EFT and wait between 3 and 10 days each time, even bitcoin is better than this.

Centralized web is horrible and dead. Literally _anything_ is a better alternative. The user can be convinced to adopt superior tech even if he does not explicitly know the problems. It just has to feel better.

> it doesn't need to be technically elegant, but user-facing elegant.

dont worry bro. the "set user = happy" voodoo dance has already been done. every cryptocoin wallet is a browser plugin or mobile app with 90% of code for themeing with all the bugs and slowness smartcrap/web users are accustomed to. you are even discouraged from rnunning yoyr own node

Re:Is Web3 Bullshit? by paulryanrogers on Sunday December 05, 2021 @09:48AM (#29449644)
> A BTC wallet is infinitely more user friendly than a banking website...

Until there is fraud, a dispute, or an innocent mistake.

Re:Is Web3 Bullshit? by aptidude187 on Sunday December 05, 2021 @10:07AM (#29449802)
Same for traditional banking + if you happen to be a journalist ( or whatever ) living under an oppressive regime, they can freeze your assets on a whim, because you criticised the wrong people. If someone still prefers trusting a central authority, for whatever reason, they can still use something like coinbase.
Re:Is Web3 Bullshit? by lern_too_spel on Sunday December 05, 2021 @11:00AM (#29450197)
If you're living under an oppressive regime, they can freeze turning your crypto into state-approved currency at a whim, and you have the same problem.