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Re:Buried in Infrastructure Bill Is a Mandatory Backdoor Kil... by koolba on Friday December 03, 2021 @06:15AM (#29428752)
So press the button and guilty until proven innocent?
Re:Buried in Infrastructure Bill Is a Mandatory Backdoor Kil... by jacquesm on Friday December 03, 2021 @06:28AM (#29428836)
No, press the button and innocent until reviewed and found to continue to be innocent. Similar to those 'in case of emergency, break glass (abuse will be prosecuted)' emergency brakes on trains and other similar constructs. This is a solved problem, I don't see why you would attach any special significance to it.
Re:Buried in Infrastructure Bill Is a Mandatory Backdoor Kil... by koolba on Friday December 03, 2021 @07:20AM (#29429180)
Having every previously analog device around us turn into a puppet of the police state is not a solution to a problem. It’s the basis for a series of new problems. And like all of these nanny state mandates, we end up paying the bill.
Re:Buried in Infrastructure Bill Is a Mandatory Backdoor Kil... by throwaway0a5e on Friday December 03, 2021 @07:36AM (#29429315)
In practice what that sounds like is well to do jerks in their nice suburbs and gated communities will be free to drunkenly rearrange their driveway (for whatever benign reason, to get the lawnmower out of the garage or something) and that people in "bad" areas where there is little political power and the .gov is more or less free to abuse them at will will found guilty and be given an option to not be found guilty if they pay into the system some other way (fine and/or driving school is the usual mechanism).

Basically it will just become a side channel for revenue just like everything else about drunk driving already is.

Re:Buried in Infrastructure Bill Is a Mandatory Backdoor Kil... by cmaggiulli on Friday December 03, 2021 @07:36AM (#29429316)
If you refuse to give blood or breath sample you automatically lose license. Also there are presumptions of intoxication after your first impaired driving conviction in NYS ( it’s not that simple, but too complicated to outline in short form ). So, this wouldn’t really be unprecedented. Not saying I agree or disagree.

The stakes are very high with impaired driving. In many states your first impaired driving charge can be felonious even if there is no injury or accident. In about half of all states your second impaired driving is automatically a felony despite no injury or accident. Society has a right to protect its roadways. However, we also need to be very careful about wanton criminalization. The penal system in the USA is backwards and barbaric

Re:Buried in Infrastructure Bill Is a Mandatory Backdoor Kil... by koolba on Friday December 03, 2021 @07:50AM (#29429410)
I’m fine with all of those things. Drunk driving is a terrible thing and should be punished appropriately as a deterrent. But this isn’t a punishment of the offenders, it’s a mandate upon everybody, the vast majority of which are law abiding.

This is just like the majority of gun control laws that do little more than infringe the rights of the law abiding gun owner.

Re:Buried in Infrastructure Bill Is a Mandatory Backdoor Kil... by andrew_ on Friday December 03, 2021 @08:51AM (#29429983)
> If you refuse to give blood or breath sample you automatically lose license.

Please, add nuance when making such an assertion. It completely depends on the state you're in and which factors the state considers when refusing. For example; In Florida it may result in the suspension of your license for one year, which can be appealed.

Re:Buried in Infrastructure Bill Is a Mandatory Backdoor Kil... by shawabawa3 on Friday December 03, 2021 @06:28AM (#29428834)
no? Press the button and innocent until proven guilty