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Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by JumpCrisscross on Thursday December 02, 2021 @05:07PM (#29423420)
> why wouldn’t the US gov’t want a US company owning ARM? Why is the FTC pilling on to block this?

The U.S. government isn't a monolith. FTC is charged with, first and foremost, maintaining our markets.

Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by romwell on Thursday December 02, 2021 @05:43PM (#29423861)
Also to add:

Allowing nVidia to become a monopoly would bite the US in the ass strategically, as nVidia loses incentive to innovate.

That's how the US, effectively, ended up having no viable aircraft when it entered WWI, after being the country that invented the thing. (Wright and Curtiss, IIRC, locked the market with patents).

Or, more closely, how the US telecom/Internet infrastructure is atrocious, despite — and because of — the Internet and the telephone being invented here. Go figure, Ma Bell wasn't the bees knees.

Strategically, the US needs someone to keep nVidia up on their toes. Innovation cuts into profit margins when you have a monopoly.

Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by GhettoComputers on Thursday December 02, 2021 @07:16PM (#29424929)
Ma Bell made some great innovations here and started a lot of the computers tech, after it was destroyed the baby bells combined again, Cingular has exclusive rights to iPhone at a time.

Nvidia is reasltically already a monopoly with CUDA. They don’t need to innovate and they force universities to use their more expensive GPUs.

Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by tomnipotent on Thursday December 02, 2021 @09:33PM (#29425982)
> They don’t need to innovate

They're constantly innovating, and have monthly software releases. Don't blame NVIDIA because AMD can't offer a solid enterprise offering that is attractive to customers.

Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by GhettoComputers on Thursday December 02, 2021 @10:52PM (#29426440)
They don’t need to for CUDA. I didn’t say they didn’t. I’d love more open ARM devices like Jetson.
Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by JumpCrisscross on Thursday December 02, 2021 @07:29PM (#29425071)
> Cingular has exclusive rights to iPhone at a time

But not the other baby bells, which is the point. Also, Apple went to Cingular after being rebuffed by Verizon. (Apple wanted no crapware. Verizon said no.) Competition working.

Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by romwell on Thursday December 02, 2021 @08:38PM (#29425585)
Is your point that monopolies aren't bad, or that anti-monopoly laws are useless?

Because both of these are provably false.

As is that nVidia is already a monopoly.

Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by GhettoComputers on Thursday December 02, 2021 @08:56PM (#29425721)
Natural monopolies aren’t bad, don’t last long and they fall when it’s leapfrogged, like Kodak when digital came. The USPS is an unnatural monopoly which stifles any carrier and serves mostly to distribute spam.

Anti monopoly laws are useless, x86-64 is a duopoly, and any monopoly laws aren’t able to stop Amazon and their vertical intergration, because the argument is that eBay and other sites exist. Network oligarchs collaborate to fix prices.

Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by d110af5ccf on Thursday December 02, 2021 @09:07PM (#29425797)
> The USPS is an unnatural monopoly which stifles any carrier

The USPS is required to deliver to everyone, even when it doesn't make monetary sense to do so. They are an important piece of US infrastructure.

They are also incredibly constrained by legislation. They aren't allowed to just raise prices as needed.

Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by GhettoComputers on Thursday December 02, 2021 @10:50PM (#29426433)
No it’s not. You can do it digitally for official documents, and they mostly deliver spam, and the cost is in your taxes. I’d rather not have them.
Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by d110af5ccf on Friday December 03, 2021 @02:59AM (#29427697)
Last time I checked there was no official government ISP the was required to provide some baseline of service to every physical address in the country at a reasonable price. And to keep it equivalent you'd only pay for bandwidth used - no flat fee for the hookup itself. The internet is not (yet) a replacement for what the USPS actually is.
Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by GhettoComputers on Friday December 03, 2021 @04:22AM (#29428164)
USPS doesn’t serve everywhere either. Where do you think that inefficiency is paid for? Why are taxes subsidizing spammers that you can’t even refuse? What if you only had government email that was full of spam? What if it was physical spam that taxes pays for that follows victims around the US with no way to stop it? Is that what you support?
Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by batty_alex on Friday December 03, 2021 @06:46AM (#29428935)
The USPS is self-funded by those periodicals. Your taxes don’t go to USPS
Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by GhettoComputers on Friday December 03, 2021 @09:25AM (#29430339)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/15/postal-se...

> The agency is burdened by hundreds of billions of dollars in debt and falling revenue, and Congress and the White House have signaled an unwillingness to grant more funding without major restructuring, lawmakers say.

> The law envisioned the Postal Service as a self-sustaining agency whose revenue could cover the expenses associated with an aging workforce involved in a physical occupation: delivering packages and parcels to every address in the country.

> Not even two decades later, it can’t. The Postal Service has racked up $160.9 billion in debt from what’s owed prepaying retiree benefits. On top of that, it has many years’ worth of operating deficits, as its top revenue generators no longer covered the costs of delivering the mail.

Then why do they need bailouts? Are these bailouts self funding? What money gave them that credit when they were long unsustainable? This is an unnatural monopoly that doesn’t allow competitors and also is a failure who mostly delivers worthless physical spam you cannot escape.

Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by romwell on Friday December 03, 2021 @03:58PM (#29435353)
Why? Did you ever read what your wrote?

Because unlike any other company or agency, they are required to prepay retiree benefits.

Anyway, you might be surprised to hear that our Army and Navy aren't self-sustaining. Obviously, we should cut their funding and see how they manage to make their nukes pay for themselves. /s

Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by GhettoComputers on Friday December 03, 2021 @08:33PM (#29437804)
No company has a 401k? I’m sure we’ll be fine without forced physical spam going paperless, or using other carriers instead of turning them into amazon’s slave and spam deliverers. The USPS already uses private carriers for remote places. I don’t get the resistance to forced spam.
Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by romwell on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @03:42PM (#29477955)
>No company has a 401k?

If you don't get the difference between 401K and what the USPS was required to provide, you are deliberately obtuse, and are arguing in bad faith.

>The USPS already uses private carriers for remote places.

It's the other way around. I guess that settles the "if" in the above.

Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by freemint on Friday December 03, 2021 @02:43AM (#29427623)
There are places where it delivers where there is no internet.
Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by GhettoComputers on Friday December 03, 2021 @04:21AM (#29428157)
At what cost? What benefit is sending non refusable spam to the ends of the US to anyone besides spammers? You don’t accept spam email do you? Would you support it if it physically existed and your taxes paid for it, including costly methods like sending it to the middle of nowhere?
Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by romwell on Friday December 03, 2021 @04:08PM (#29435501)
Well we kinda want some people to live in the middle of nowhere, because we want to eat and somewhere isn't where farmland is, apparently.

Also we kinda want to keep territories like Alaska inhabited because geopolitics.

And we kinda want the people living in those places to be able to get their official government documents (driver licenses, court notices, etc).

Then there's this idea of voting by mail, which isn't something that should be a privilege, but that's too complex for our discussion.

To translate one of the reasons for USPS into words you may understand: you know how two-factor authentication requires that second factor? The USPS provides a means for the gov to get that second factor into the hands of the people.

A third party would be a man-in-the-middle.

So consiser USPS a part of the government's 2FA infrastructure and messaging system with SLA and proof of delivery.

That, unlike your company's authentication infrastructure, happens to pay for itself.

Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by GhettoComputers on Friday December 03, 2021 @08:40PM (#29437840)
Not having the USPS won’t affect that. I know someone who lives in Alaska and if you think the USPS delivers there or in a timely manner, you’re mistaken, it’s seasonal and not USPS. The oil payments and other incentives do fine, nobody is there because USPS can spam you. If we could have spam block, I wouldn’t be against it as much, we shouldn’t cut down trees so you can have ads forced into your home without consent. If you think farmers are quaint small independent workers, you’re also mistaken, they’re extremely educated, very high tech, and have Internet, the idea of them being hicks that use mail is outdated by decades. Mail in voting should be skipped over for online voting. We have all the information online and could reach more voters, cities have many more options and rural areas are more easily reached by internet than physical mail. Developing counties skipped home phones for cellular, this is a complex unnecessary step.
Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by freemint on Friday December 03, 2021 @10:52AM (#29431343)
If governments primary means of working is paper paper must be able to be delivered to every household.
Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by GhettoComputers on Friday December 03, 2021 @08:34PM (#29437809)
It isn’t delivered to every household.
Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by ClumsyPilot on Thursday December 02, 2021 @09:02PM (#29425766)
"Natural monopolies aren’t bad, don’t last long and they fall when it’s leapfrogged"

Natural monopolies are things like electric power grid and water supply and train and roads, they last forever precisely because they are natural and they were never leapfrogged in history. 'Natural" part stands for nessesary inveatment in infrastructure being redundant and causing zero-sum game.

Kodak wasn't much of a monopoly and certainly wasn't a natural one

Read up on how antitrust actually works, your assesment of USPS is equally inaccurate

Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by GhettoComputers on Friday December 03, 2021 @04:54AM (#29428321)
You listed infrastructure, I’m referring to examples such as standard oil, which sold oil the cheapest.
Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by ClumsyPilot on Friday December 03, 2021 @10:06AM (#29430815)
That's not a natural monopoly
Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by p1necone on Thursday December 02, 2021 @11:06PM (#29426507)
I wish we could run experiments on this sort of thing and compare. I want to know how an alternative "no IP law" USA would have developed. Or even one that just didn't grant patents as freely.

My totally uninformed opinion is that basically the only IP law that's worth a damn is trademarks (which should absolutely be very strongly enforced. It's crucially important that consumers know who they're buying from for the market to work properly), and maybe copyright on /entertainment/ focused creative works for the life of the author and no longer.

Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by rswail on Friday December 03, 2021 @02:59AM (#29427698)
Look at the US during the 1800s freely "borrowing" stuff from the UK, which was then the world leader in IP development.

All "developing" nations don't (and shouldn't) GAF about IPRs during that phase in their development. Notice that China didn't GAF for years, but does now, both from a control POV and from a competition POV.

Countries only worry about IPRs when they have sufficient IP development to have something to sell.

Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by emodendroket on Thursday December 02, 2021 @08:42PM (#29425614)
Realistically, with the cost of developing this stuff only going up, only monopolies or duopolies are really going to exist at the cutting edge. That's the trend and I don't really see a way of reversing it.
Re:FTC sues to block Nvidia-Arm merger by pm90 on Thursday December 02, 2021 @08:54PM (#29425702)
Cost of developing what? New ISAs? Chip Designs?