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Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by smnrchrds on Thursday December 02, 2021 @03:36PM (#29422139)
Right now in my province, unvaccinated individuals make up 11.2% of 12+ population but more than 66% of hospitalizations. I don't expect the ICU rates to be more favourable to the unvaccianted than total hospitalization rates. If there is a point of rapid diminishing returns, it is not at ~90% yet.

https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm...

Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by swader999 on Thursday December 02, 2021 @06:13PM (#29424255)
Your missing the vaccine injured in those stats because they define unvaccinated as anyone less than two weeks after vaccinated.
Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by smnrchrds on Thursday December 02, 2021 @06:20PM (#29424352)
What do you mean? The immunity doesn't kick in the second the vaccine is injected into your arm. How else should they count vaccinated vs unvaccinated? (Also note that there is a category of partially vaccinated in the stats that is people who have only received the first dose of a two-dose vaccine).
Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by skjoldr on Friday December 03, 2021 @06:31AM (#29428854)
These stats do not show the difference between taking a shot but still being infected within two weeks after it, and not taking any shots at all and being infected. If you're going to blame the second group for filling up ICUs, you cannot lump them together.
Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by swader999 on Thursday December 02, 2021 @07:00PM (#29424783)
It means the stats aren't as useful.
Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by dukeofdoom on Thursday December 02, 2021 @07:22PM (#29424986)
Its probably just time delayed. Give it a few months. The vaccine protection seems to wear off rather quickly, based on data from UK and Israel.
Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by lamontcg on Friday December 03, 2021 @04:30PM (#29435802)
Protection from hospitalization and death, particularly in under-65 or so, does not wear off. Neutralizing antibody levels naturally wane and can allow infection, T-cell and B-cell populations don't (unless you get infected with measles or have some other conditions, and assuming you form a robust T-cell response to begin with and aren't immunocompromised or just quite old).
Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by dukeofdoom on Friday December 03, 2021 @06:48PM (#29437109)
I think the vaccine is probably as effective as two doses of a laxative. Any 75+ year olds that survived the two doses of the laxative, will now have better outcomes against covid.

Keep in mind the effectiveness is measured in tens/100,000. An there are some very sick people given the vaccine, that die before the 14 days of the second dose.

Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by lamontcg on Sunday December 05, 2021 @09:02PM (#29455378)
> I think the vaccine is probably as effective as two doses of a laxative.

Well at least people know how much weight to give your opinions.

Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by dukeofdoom on Monday December 06, 2021 @03:53PM (#29465555)
Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by pigeonhole123 on Thursday December 02, 2021 @05:26PM (#29423651)
Are they hospitalized for Covid or all reasons?
Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by smnrchrds on Thursday December 02, 2021 @05:28PM (#29423682)
These are only COVID stats.
Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by nodemaker on Friday December 03, 2021 @01:14AM (#29427162)
Correlation does not imply causation.