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Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by terafo on Thursday December 02, 2021 @06:57AM (#29415041)
You can't find many things that Russian government deems inappropriate in Yandex. Yandex, Google and Bing(DDG is basically Bing proxy) just have different sets of biases.
Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by malka on Thursday December 02, 2021 @07:17AM (#29415182)
It is time to go back to meta search engines I guess
Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by zozbot234 on Thursday December 02, 2021 @08:10AM (#29415628)
I don't think meta has a search engine yet, though.
Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by Griffinsauce on Thursday December 02, 2021 @09:23AM (#29416437)
slow clap
Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by reducesuffering on Thursday December 02, 2021 @09:33AM (#29416571)
I don't see how this is something to be applauded. The company is successfully worming it's way into common vernacular. Meta, Apple, Block, etc. Pretty soon you won't be able to speak a sentence without invoking 6 different brands' free advertising.
Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by istjohn on Thursday December 02, 2021 @10:47AM (#29417578)
They are applauding the pun, not the company the pun refers to.
Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by handrous on Thursday December 02, 2021 @01:36PM (#29420345)
My monitor's pretty hi-res and big.

How about a 3-column search that's Google, DDG (so, Bing), and Yandex, with a single search field for all three? Bonus points for syncing it up so if I click, say, the "Images" tab on one of them, it switches the others over, too.

Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by post_from_work on Thursday December 02, 2021 @10:39PM (#29426380)
Kinda like how Allsides functions for news/political bias.

https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news

Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by texasbigdata on Thursday December 02, 2021 @08:22AM (#29415762)
Nah, Yahoo style pages with links
Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by millzlane on Thursday December 02, 2021 @07:36AM (#29415338)
What about startpage?
Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by Dah00n on Thursday December 02, 2021 @07:57AM (#29415519)
Owned by an Ad company these days. But yes they do promise "We'll never do evil". They belong in the grey area. But at least they haven't been caught with their hands in the cookie-jar multiple times like Brave so they got that going for them. I'd stay clear.
Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by starsep on Thursday December 02, 2021 @07:44AM (#29415409)
Startpage is a Google proxy. The Pirate Bay is filtered out there as well.
Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by janeroe on Thursday December 02, 2021 @08:24AM (#29415784)
> You can't find many things that Russian government deems inappropriate in Yandex

What are those things that Yandex can't find? It seems to me it shows pretty relevant results for "putin's golden toilet" [1], "putin's blasting houses" with US State Department / Soros funded web-site as one of the top results [2]. A query with "navalny's statement" shows both his twitter and his web-site on the first page.

When comparing to google, "gab" in yandex shows the web-site's link as the first result. Google doesn't show it at all, there is only CNN, wikipedia, some woke dictionaries all telling you gab is not something you should search.

So, who's got totalitarian system with censorship after all?

[1]: https://yandex.com/search/?text=%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%...

[2]: https://yandex.ru/search/?text=%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B...

[3]: https://yandex.ru/search/?text=%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%B2%D0%B...

Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by sufficer on Thursday December 02, 2021 @08:29AM (#29415827)
I googled gab and it was the first result. Did your machine get pwned?
Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by janeroe on Thursday December 02, 2021 @08:38AM (#29415925)
Where are you from? I checked from American IP and it's indeed the first result. Not the case with Asian IP.
Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by fomine3 on Friday December 03, 2021 @01:48AM (#29427329)
Gab.com is first from Asian IP, but locale should be hl=en.
Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by scarmig on Thursday December 02, 2021 @08:32AM (#29415858)
When I search for Gab on Google, it comes up as the first result.
Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by janeroe on Thursday December 02, 2021 @09:03AM (#29416191)
What does "us election fraud" shows, any web-sites that are not in line with "the correct" narrative? For me google shows one side, yandex both of them.

Now, "голосование на пеньках" (voting on stomps) is a mockery of Putin's constitution referendum by opposition. When searching this phrase in Google the front page is again Putin controlled media: tass, rbc, kommersant, rg.

Yandex apart from the aforementioned web-sites has US State Department / Soros funded meduza and svoboda.org, liberal (in American sense) tjournal, Deutsche Welle.

It seems Yandex gives preference to the most relevant sites when Google decides what's good ("credible") for you.

[1]: https://yandex.ru/search/?text=%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%8...

Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by scarmig on Thursday December 02, 2021 @02:32PM (#29421251)
I'm just checking a claim I thought was implausible and also easily verifiable.

It'd be weird for Google to bury bad think only for non-American IP addresses but allow it for Americans if it was on some woke crusade for the benefit of the US government. Now, I'm not sure why it's removed from your results, but my point is that what you cited as a piece of evidence for malign intent on Google's part isn't actually supporting evidence.

Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by janeroe on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @08:26AM (#29472190)
> my point is that what you cited as a piece of evidence for malign intent on Google's part isn't actually supporting evidence

It's worth noticing that it's pointless to censor requests like "gab.com" anyway (though that happened in my case). A person typing them already knows what they want. Now, try "right wing social media", "free speech media", "social media without censorship", etc. For me it doesn't show anything relevant but the links to the "correct" think tanks. Does this fact prove the malign intent of Google? No, but it's still there and you know it (except they consider this a virtue).

Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by fault1 on Thursday December 02, 2021 @09:29AM (#29416521)
> when Google decides what's good ("credible") for you.

One of the problems is that black hat SEOs (among other people) have huge economic incentives to spread misinformation, including about the election. This is of course, an eternal cat and mouse game. This is not new, I remember when gmail started filtering chain letter scams more than a decade ago.

Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by janeroe on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @08:13AM (#29472094)
Good for them. The thing is I want a search engine, not a catalogue of web-sites approved by the ministry of truth.
Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by terafo on Friday December 03, 2021 @08:36AM (#29429827)
They are mandated to remove everything that Roskomnadzor blocks from search results. That happened to Smart Voting in September, for example. And it's extremely easy for them to block any website they want.
Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by janeroe on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @09:18AM (#29472689)
Thanks God neither Google nor Apple complied because "it's extremely [difficult] for them to" do so. Oh, wait, they did comply, too. Different jurisdiction, no HQs in Russia and yet both succumbed to the authoritarian regime. Not a good argument in the context of comparing the two search engines.
Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by generalizations on Thursday December 02, 2021 @10:01AM (#29416952)
At least it's a different set of biases from the usual ones in the us. It's more obvious what's missing.
Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by oytis on Thursday December 02, 2021 @08:12AM (#29415647)
Would be great to have a search frontend that aggregates results from both then.
Re:Google removes Pirate Bay domains from search results cit... by michaelbrooks on Thursday December 02, 2021 @08:26AM (#29415797)
Brave have their own search engine that uses an independent built-from-scratch index. [0]

[0] https://search.brave.com/