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Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by FearlessNebula on Monday November 29, 2021 @02:37PM (#29384190)
Not only this, but how long until they start including a cheap modem and paying for their own cellular connectivity?
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by bogwog on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:32PM (#29384879)
Or they buy access to things like this: https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Sidewalk/b?node=21328123011

No need to include a modem when your customer's neighbor has an internet-connected toaster within bluetooth range of the TV.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by 1121redblackgo on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:22PM (#29384748)
My god damn CPAP machine does this. Insurance required the modem in order for them to pay for it.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by myrandomcomment on Monday November 29, 2021 @11:22PM (#29388929)
There a number of guides on disabling this. That being said you still need to bring the SD card to doctor every 6 months for review. This is a good thing. The doctor is trying to help you. I know someone that died because they went on a trip and forgot their CPAP and just stopped breathing in the middle of the night and did not wake up. It happens. When you get a CPAP there is a reason. Take it seriously.

If you are having issues because of physically fixable issues there are surgeries that can help (I had 2 things fixed). Most of the time however its just being fat and physical. Loosing the weight helps and the effect can be tracked in the data the CPAP collects. The doctor can then use the data to adjust then pressure down.

I am speaking from experience. My pressure setting has dropped as I took off the beer gut. This time next year I will likely be able to be done with it.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by Benjammer on Monday November 29, 2021 @02:53PM (#29384385)
Ugh this is way worse and actually seems far more likely and easy to accomplish than the public wifi thing...
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by Arrath on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:30PM (#29384843)
It's going to be time to crack the sucker open and burn out the traces to/from the modem, isn't it.

E: And in the ongoing arms war, then manufacturer's ship remotes that no longer use tried and true IR but instead go over the same bluetooth or 2.4ghz chip. Some probably already do, I would expect.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by mike-the-mikado on Monday November 29, 2021 @04:28PM (#29385520)
My new Panasonic TV has dual-mode remote control - IR+Bluetooth. Bluetooth means that you don't need to point the remote as accurately. Plus you can use a phone as remote control.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by rodgerd on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:46PM (#29385055)
That's part of the push for 5G - the idea that it becomes much easier to have many more devices, hence you can drop a modem anywhere.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by RealityVoid on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:50PM (#29385097)
Jesus Christ, at that point I'd just go in the TV and snip a trace in it.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by Scoundreller on Monday November 29, 2021 @04:41PM (#29385648)
It won’t be long until we start taking a ddwrt approach and jtagging our tvs and replacing them with custom ROMs.

We’ll be okay for another 5-10 years before they securely start locking that down too.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by burnt_toast on Monday November 29, 2021 @05:27PM (#29386096)
I'm optimistic within 5-10 years we'll start to see the rise of open source tvs that'll save us. I have no sources to back this up but seeing the release of several open source laptops gives me hope.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by aendruk on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:36PM (#29384921)
See also Amazon Sidewalk.