Re:Caddy – Open-source web server with automatic HTTPS
by yjftsjthsd-h on Monday November 29, 2021 @11:42AM
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This is exactly what the original complaint was: Someone complains that Caddy is slower than the options, and the official response is not neither agreement nor giving data to show that Caddy is fast, but equivocating about whether it matters while avoiding commenting on whether the claim is true. If you want to ship a webserver that's slower but safer and easy to use, that's fine; I'm using Caddy to host my stuff because that's a reasonable trade off. It's just the dodging of the question that gets old fast.
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Re:Caddy – Open-source web server with automatic HTTPS
by throwaway894345 on Monday November 29, 2021 @12:14PM
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The claim can't be evaluated as "true or false", which is the point. The use cases for Caddy and similar software are too broad to be meaningfully approximated as a binary or scalar value.
Re:Caddy – Open-source web server with automatic HTTPS
by yjftsjthsd-h on Monday November 29, 2021 @12:20PM
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I'm pretty sure you can approximate it to true - are there any cases where Caddy is faster than another webserver in the same usecase, with either default or tweaked configs on both?
Re:Caddy – Open-source web server with automatic HTTPS
by throwaway894345 on Monday November 29, 2021 @12:28PM
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Yes, you can get very gritty microbenchmarks, but those always fail to generalize well and lead to more confusion. Most people will make bad decisions off of microbenchmarks and those who won't will tell you they're nearly useless in the best case.
Re:Caddy – Open-source web server with automatic HTTPS
by vxNsr on Monday November 29, 2021 @11:48AM
(#29381995)
just fyi, based on the bio of the person you're replying to, they're the author of caddy. not sure if this was known or not
Re:Caddy – Open-source web server with automatic HTTPS
by yjftsjthsd-h on Monday November 29, 2021 @11:59AM
(#29382135)
Yes, that's why I am treating that comment as an official response.
Re:Caddy – Open-source web server with automatic HTTPS
by mholt on Monday November 29, 2021 @11:55AM
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Yeah, it's hard for us to hit a performance target that is being kept hidden from the devs.
Re:Caddy – Open-source web server with automatic HTTPS
by qbasic_forever on Monday November 29, 2021 @12:17PM
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This shouldn't be downvoted--it's very true, what performance are you trying to optimize? Throughput of long connections? Time from connection to first bytes? There are dozens of dimensions to web performance.
Re:Caddy – Open-source web server with automatic HTTPS
by yjftsjthsd-h on Monday November 29, 2021 @12:21PM
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That's totally reasonable. Does Caddy actually win on any of those dimensions?
Re:Caddy – Open-source web server with automatic HTTPS
by withinboredom on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @02:03AM
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There are millions of configurations for Caddy (which modules you compile into the binary) so this is literally impossible to know unless your benchmark your particular configuration for your particular use case.
Re:Caddy – Open-source web server with automatic HTTPS
by vxNsr on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:32PM
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I didn't mean my comment to come off as hostile. The way you replied seemed to imply you were involved in some way but didn't make note of that in your comment, sometimes when people don't realize who they're replying to they make bad assumptions, I was trying to prevent that from happening.
This whole thread has a lot of unproductive animosity, and it's possible part of that is due to the opaqueness who the identity of those involved.