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Re:2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed by zhoujianfu on Saturday November 27, 2021 @04:03PM (#29363448)
My first X (2016) went to the shop 17 times in the first year, all for different issues. It’s now finally more or less working reliably.

I got a new X in 2019 and so far it’s had no issues at all.

Re:2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed by steelframe on Saturday November 27, 2021 @04:12PM (#29363561)
> I got a new X in 2019

I certainly salute you for your tenacity with the brand. After I unloaded my 2016 Model X, you couldn't convince me to touch another one of those cars with a 10-foot pole.

Re:2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed by 01100011 on Saturday November 27, 2021 @04:20PM (#29363658)
I'm a Tesla hater, but I think it's reasonable to assume their quality will dramatically improve as they get production figured out and stop hacking things together to meet their numbers.
Re:2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed by carlivar on Saturday November 27, 2021 @04:29PM (#29363741)
Well, Musk actively avoids the Toyota Production System which seems insane and offends me as an engineer. So I don't think quality will improve until he changes his stubborn tune.
Re:2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed by Syonyk on Saturday November 27, 2021 @11:24PM (#29366145)
I mean, you could put a ton of effort into improving quality, consistency, etc.

Or you could just Tweet that anyone critical of your car is a big oil funded Tesla-shorting planet hating shill.

One gets you most of the other, for an awful lot less actual effort.

Re:2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed by Hypx_ on Sunday November 28, 2021 @02:43AM (#29366994)
I think the Detroit automakers have the same mentality. It's almost like there's this racism belief that the Japanese could never have figured something out that Westerners haven't.
Re:2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed by carlivar on Sunday November 28, 2021 @10:11AM (#29369453)
That's not true at all. Here's an article about the reality:

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125229...

Incidentally, it really bothers me that you play the racism card so easily and casually without evidence. Please stop doing that.

Re:2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed by Hypx_ on Sunday November 28, 2021 @06:10PM (#29374195)
GM proceeded to ignore everything that worked at that plant (and still does, nevermind what that article says). They flat out refused to learn from Toyota even when they saw it upfront.

We live in a racist world. You either accept it or be blind to many of the problems of the world.

Re:2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed by jeron on Sunday November 28, 2021 @01:32AM (#29366696)
I mean this is the same guy who camped out at the factory for like 3 weeks to iron out all the production issues with model 3 and scale production up to meet demand, and it more or less worked. Perhaps you don't need the Toyota production system after all
Re:2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed by carlivar on Sunday November 28, 2021 @10:13AM (#29369462)
This is exactly why you need it. TPS empowers every line worker, not some central hero. You are describing hero culture, which in my opinion is toxic.