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Re:Pragmatism as Anti-Authoritarianism by Jensson on Saturday November 27, 2021 @09:37AM (#29360465)
Ok, the example wasn't clear enough. Lets take the more real world example:

Teacher Organization: Kids should be forced to read books by black authors.

Parent Organisation: I don't think you should do that, it isn't a good way to pick books.

Teacher Organisation: We are doing this to fix a historical problem, your pushback is just because you don't want your kids to read books by black authors, stop being such racist bigots! I really hate racist parents! Society shouldn't tolerate people like you!

Re:Pragmatism as Anti-Authoritarianism by ModernMech on Saturday November 27, 2021 @10:01AM (#29360645)
Why do you think this a more “real world” example? This is messaging coming from a teacher organization? Which one? Have you heard this in the real world personally? Or can you point us to where this conversation actually occurred, if it’s a real world example? Or is this something that just happens on Twitter?

What makes this conversation more real than the other one, which you claimed happens often. Does that one not happen often after all?

I’m just looking for the real world basis of this model conversation you have written for us here. What has given you this perception? Facebook? Twitter? Your personal experience with teachers associations (which ones)? Your friends and family?

Re:Pragmatism as Anti-Authoritarianism by Jensson on Saturday November 27, 2021 @10:03AM (#29360664)
It is "more real world", not "real world". The example is exaggerated to make a point.
Re:Pragmatism as Anti-Authoritarianism by ModernMech on Saturday November 27, 2021 @01:05PM (#29362047)
But your point is that this exaggerated thing is happening. We all understand the caricature you're trying to paint. I'm trying to get at the real world thing underneath of that. Get rid of the exaggeration. What's really happening?
Re:Pragmatism as Anti-Authoritarianism by bryanrasmussen on Saturday November 27, 2021 @10:13AM (#29360741)
Ok I read the link to the article above, it was sort all over the place but a major part of the article was about a teacher who found that some of their non-white students thought it lame to always be reading about white people, so the teacher mixed their curriculum with books that they thought would appeal more to their students, which had black characters in them.

It was not specified in this part that the books added by the teacher were written by people of any particular racial profile, although that is probably the case it is not certain given that writers such as Ursula K. LeGuin were white but often had non-white protagonists.

Re:Pragmatism as Anti-Authoritarianism by Jensson on Saturday November 27, 2021 @10:48AM (#29361018)
Yes, as you noticed the article is written by a liberal and is pro adding more books by black authors. My point wasn't to show that this is a bad movement, but to show that the movement and a resistance to the movement exists. My view is that those who argue that resistance to such movements shouldn't be tolerated are making society worse. There are good reasons to be against such movements, meritocracy has a point, but social justice and diversity also are good points, so I see no reason to forcibly reject either side.