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Re:Ask HN: Is discrimination to promote diversity okay? by melff on Friday November 26, 2021 @04:34PM (#29354361)
> You're part of the problem.

Not actively pushing back against something doesn't make one "part of the problem". It makes one a bystander, and no, bystanders are not part part of the problem they are neutrals. They could be more "helpful" for our cause if they where not, but they are not part of the problem, they are "untapped potential" if you will.

This kind of rhetoric bullies people into action and even tough I agree that we should push back in this case, this kind of bullying is not okay.

Re:Ask HN: Is discrimination to promote diversity okay? by jkhdigital on Friday November 26, 2021 @04:49PM (#29354510)
I don’t like that rhetoric either, but unfortunately certain radical ideologies do not acknowledge neutrality. Maybe we can turn to John Stuart Mill for a more eloquent appeal:

“ Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.”

Re:Ask HN: Is discrimination to promote diversity okay? by melff on Friday November 26, 2021 @04:56PM (#29354584)
> certain radical ideologies do not acknowledge neutrality

So what? Why can't we acknowledge neutrality because some other people don't?

Re:Ask HN: Is discrimination to promote diversity okay? by jkhdigital on Friday November 26, 2021 @08:35PM (#29356302)
Just providing a nuanced counterpoint, not denying or refuting anything you said.
Re:Ask HN: Is discrimination to promote diversity okay? by tomp on Friday November 26, 2021 @04:41PM (#29354434)
Read the quoted part again. S/He wasn't a bystander, s/he supported the discrimination (probably silently), as long as it was subtle.

Obviously I'm not saying you always have to risk your job/career/livelihood/reputation to take unpopular (but right) action. That's just a nice-to-have.