The internet is held together with spit and baling wire

Re:The internet is held together with spit and baling wire by Teever on Friday November 26, 2021 @03:23PM (#29353724)

> There was never a time when your end consumer device could be used as even a semi-reliable web server.

I dunno man, My used T420 laptop is serving several sites over a residential symmetrical fiber connection just fine.

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Re:The internet is held together with spit and baling wire by amatecha on Friday November 26, 2021 @03:30PM (#29353783)

My first self-hosted web server was running on a 486 and ran for a few years hosting four or so sites, including a php-based forum!

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Re:The internet is held together with spit and baling wire by rvense on Friday November 26, 2021 @05:37PM (#29354967)

Built-in UPS and KVM, too. Keep it cool and stock up on PSUs and that'll last you a long time.

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Re:The internet is held together with spit and baling wire by cgriswald on Friday November 26, 2021 @03:29PM (#29353771)

> There was never a time when your end consumer device could be used as even a semi-reliable web server.

Since about 1999 I have never NOT been running a server of some kind off my home connection. I wouldn't run a business off of it that way, but it's reliable enough to count on it which has to meet any sane definition of semi-reliable. The two biggest problems I've had have been essentially unrelated to the internet. The first is when I've been violating TOS of the ISP or the power was unreliable in the place I lived.

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Re:The internet is held together with spit and baling wire by h2odragon on Friday November 26, 2021 @03:24PM (#29353737)

https://thecrow.uk/A-Gov.uk-site-dedicated-to-porn-Absolutel...

From yesterday. Note the bit about being on a Pi. Stood up quite admirably to an HN hug.

From 1998 to 2004 I served a fairly large amount of traffic out of my homebuilt pentium in a trailer out in the woods with an ISDN line. We stood up to several media mentions OK.

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Re:The internet is held together with spit and baling wire by denton-scratch on Saturday November 27, 2021 @01:35AM (#29358071)

> Stood up quite admirably to an HN hug.

It was down when I tried it yesterday.

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Re:The internet is held together with spit and baling wire by fiddlerwoaroof on Friday November 26, 2021 @03:04PM (#29353581)

If you have a cable connection today, you can serve reliably just fine. Throughput isn’t the best and there are other minor issues, but it’s reliable enough for most people’s purposes.

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Re:The internet is held together with spit and baling wire by lotsofpulp on Friday November 26, 2021 @04:04PM (#29354110)

Coaxial cable connections in the US have such meager upload bandwidth that cable ISPs do not even bother advertising or specifying a minimum upload bandwidth.

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Re:The internet is held together with spit and baling wire by fiddlerwoaroof on Friday November 26, 2021 @04:17PM (#29354210)

Yeah, but I’ve been able to stream music from my desktop to my phone while driving and run a web server with reasonable performance on one.

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Re:The internet is held together with spit and baling wire by lotsofpulp on Friday November 26, 2021 @04:50PM (#29354517)

I consider multiple HD video streams to be reasonable performance. I have a family of 4 to 6 which at any point in time may be FaceTiming, video calling for work, video gaming, backing up to iCloud, streaming HD video from home NAS, and 5+ security cameras uploading.

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Re:The internet is held together with spit and baling wire by doubled112 on Friday November 26, 2021 @04:29PM (#29354308)

It's more than adequate for personal use. I've also been serving myself and a few friends for years.

Download being 300Mpbs but upload 20Mbps IS kind of irritating though.

When did 100Mbps become popular for home LANs even?

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Re:The internet is held together with spit and baling wire by ScaleneTriangle on Friday November 26, 2021 @05:08PM (#29354694)

Here in Canada all the modem/router combo units from large providers are gigabit for LAN. In pretty sure that it's been that way for at least 5 years.

I'm pretty sure new PCs and laptops have had gigabit standard for probably about 10 years.

Enthusiast and prosumer motherboards are now coming with 2.5 gigabit networking.

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Re:The internet is held together with spit and baling wire by lotsofpulp on Friday November 26, 2021 @04:58PM (#29354603)

Covid lockdowns helped with video calls, but ever since FaceTime came out, lack of upload became way more noticeable

Also, smartphone proliferation made streaming from home NAS very convenient, as well as home security cameras and smart home features.

I disagree that current upload capacities are adequate. With 1Gbps+ upload connections standard, we might actually see privacy forward solutions that do not require us to depend on cloud services.

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Re:The internet is held together with spit and baling wire by rabbits77 on Friday November 26, 2021 @09:36PM (#29356744)

I worked at a small ISP/web host in the late 90s. A very common web server at the time was a cheap white box PC running Windows NT and IIS. We had many of these systems on this interesting “rack” that was more like a multi level table or three d chess board.

These systems could handle a ton of traffic very reliably. Consider that there was very little dynamic content and what there was barely taxed the CPU at all (e.g. a Perl CGI script to query and display some tiny amount of data from (LOL!) an Access database.

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Re:The internet is held together with spit and baling wire by justinjlynn on Saturday November 27, 2021 @01:32AM (#29358049)

If it works well and works reliably, even when it needs to be changed quickly - it's not a bad solution, unless it costs too much.

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Re:The internet is held together with spit and baling wire by fabianhjr on Friday November 26, 2021 @03:23PM (#29353725)

More P2P between research centers on the time of ARPANet; though it wasn't widely used or available back then.

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