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Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by dahfizz on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:37AM (#29319033)
Not really. The top selling SUVs (RAV4, CRV, and Rogue) all get 35 mpg on the highway. That's better than the non-hybrid Honda Accord, for example.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by diebeforei485 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @11:02AM (#29319360)
I've always found the "highway" thing to not be very useful. Yes, if you're on cruise control on the open highway at constant speed, you will get good mileage in an SUV.

But in practice that sort of situation only applies during road trips. Most people's actual highway driving is driving in traffic, which is a lot less efficient.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by rory on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @11:45AM (#29319999)
> Most people's actual highway driving is driving in traffic, which is a lot less efficient.

Is that statistical, or anecdotal? It's counter to my personal driving patterns. Even in moderate congestion my Hyundai gets mileage closer to its "highway" MPG than "city" (when using cruise/distance control).

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by fomine3 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @07:57PM (#29325732)
Hybrids mainly helps frequent stop city driving rather than constant highway driving, SUVs aren't good for Cd value that's important for highway driving. Because of that, pure ICE sedans should get relatively good value for highway mileage, but not good for city.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by citrin_ru on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @02:47PM (#29322404)
> Most people's actual highway driving is driving in traffic

When I had cars I used them mostly to get out on weekends or for longer trips on vocations. May be I’m an outlier but during the pandemic time work from home is common and this allows to avoid driving in traffic.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by jsight on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @11:22AM (#29319647)
Its not that bad. I've had daily commutes that were 70% highway at 40-60, and that's much closer to the EPA "highway" cycle than it should be.

The highway cycle is actually not all high speed driving.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by jopsen on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @12:04PM (#29320226)
35mpg == 15 km/L

Wow, that's not good... A large Sedan from early 2000s driven well can easily beat that..

I regularly hear about small cars doing 70 mpg == 30km/L

My Toyota Yaris is not fuel efficient at 130 km/h on the highway, but it still manages 40mpg = 17 km/L

Of course, it's not SUV.. I basically decided against buy a big car until EVs are ready -- they are now, but that doesn't mean I should throw out my existing car :)

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by raydev on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @02:59PM (#29322558)
I think you've made an incorrect conversion to metric units.

First off, if you're not in the US, make sure that you are converting from a US gallon, and not imperial gallon.

35 MPG (US gallons) = 6.72 Liters per 100 km

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by jopsen on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @04:00PM (#29323460)
Mileage is really a mess... Some place in the EU uses L / 100km, others km/L, I was using Google so I think the unit was correct.

Any case, my car does roughly 17 megameters / meter^3 -- that's proper SI units :)

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by raxxorrax on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @05:46AM (#29328723)
In Europe the common metric is l/100km. 35 mpg translates to a little above 6.7 l/100km, which is good - average for a car in Europe (average is 7.8l/100km = 30mpg). I guess today there is a smaller difference in fuel efficiency. This is for gasoline, not diesel engines.

US cars are a bit bigger than european or asian models, so they are probably a bit heavier. Still, I think fuel efficiency is pretty optimized in all modern cars regardless of where you live.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by nimos on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @01:53PM (#29321659)
Civic gets 36 combined, Corolla is 33 combined, Rav4/CRV are both 30 combined. A Prius is 54 combined. Not sure where you are hearing about 70 mpg.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by jopsen on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @03:55PM (#29323390)
My Toyota Yaris is rated at 27 km/L = 63mpg

But maybe that's only downhill -- I'm certainly not reaching it :)

But other mini cars like: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Lupo

Or so I hear...

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by dahfizz on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @04:51PM (#29324015)
The Toyota Yaris gets 40mpg highway / 35 mpg combined: https://www.cars.com/articles/2020-toyota-yaris-mpg-can-frug...
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by Balero on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @11:05AM (#29319415)
Yes really. That is not a very good benchmark.

My Toyota Yaris gets over 50mpg on motorways, so about 50% better.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by gandalfian on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @12:42PM (#29320705)
Though having 25% larger gallons in the UK helps too. (Not that there isn't truth in European cars having been more efficient for thirty years).
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by Balero on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @09:46AM (#29330439)
Very good point! I always forget this!
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by jf22 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @11:08AM (#29319468)
The point is that if they were smaller cars they'd get even better MPG.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by Spivak on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @11:15AM (#29319555)
And be a less useful vehicles for doing the kinds of things that most people ask of them, carrying stuff that doesn't fit in a standard sized trunk like furniture and appliances.

All those sedans would be way more fuel efficient if they were motorcycles too, but I don't think you'd agree that they're comparable.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by _huayra_ on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @11:38AM (#29319884)
Do most people ask that their vehicle carry furniture and appliances on a regular basis?

Honestly any time I have a larger item either being hauled to my place or away from it, it's someone else's vehicle, e.g. delivery of a new appliance or pricing it to move quickly on craigslist so someone comes and takes it away.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by macksd on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @11:58AM (#29320166)
Someone from Craigslist comes and takes it away? On what, their back?
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by Spivak on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @11:51AM (#29320079)
So your solution to not needing to move things is for other people with suitable vehicles to come and move things? How is that gonna work when everyone has a sedan?

It's true for everyone I know who has children and owns a house in the burbs. The cost of taking delivery from everything from TVs, lawn mowers, dirt, mulch, Costco trips, adds up and SUVs aren't really more expensive than sedans.

Like I get you, I live a very privileged urban apartment dweller life and can afford to just pay for people to move things for me the few times I need it but renting tools and labor is expensive for a family.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by Pet_Ant on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @02:13PM (#29321941)
> How is that gonna work when everyone has a sedan?

People who specialise in it? Like moving vans or toe trucks?

> but renting tools and labor is expensive for a family.

Compared to the extra cost of the vehicle and gas? I mean how often do you buy new furniture? People ask how I manage without a car: simple I bus or take a cab. "cabs are expensive" per trip sure... but per year? Nothing compared to the cost of car ownership. If big cars aren't false economy yet, then they will be once we start paying for our carbon. Most of us could get around 90% of the time in a coupe.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by Spivak on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @03:21PM (#29322887)
It's not different. That's the whole point.

    2020 Honda Accord: $28k total cost of ownership [1] 30/37 mpg 282 g/m emissions rating [3]

    2020 Honda CR-V: $28k total cost of ownership [2] 28/34 mpg 294 g/m emissions rating [3]
[1] https://www.edmunds.com/honda/accord/2020/cost-to-own/?style...

[2] https://www.edmunds.com/honda/cr-v/2020/cost-to-own/?style=4...

[3] https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=42071&...

According to [3] the yearly fuel cost difference is $50. For reference on the emissions numbers a 2010 H3 Hummer is 555g/m.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by jf22 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @01:38PM (#29321436)
Society survived without SUVs. We have everything delivered in an instant.

We don't need all this crap, and we don't need SUVs to carry it around.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by Spivak on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @01:51PM (#29321630)
Yeah, we had minivans, station wagons, and small pickup trucks. Then we had what are now called "full-size" SUVs. Midsize SUVs today are just slightly bigger cars.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by dahfizz on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @11:47AM (#29320037)
The point is that crossover/SUVs get good enough MPG. Fuel economy is not the only, or even the primary, consideration when buying a car.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by philistine on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @03:18PM (#29322843)
If the price of gas keeps rising at the same pace for the next seven years, it will be.