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Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by Jiro on Sunday November 21, 2021 @11:26AM (#29297418)
Pedestrian protestors have developed the tactic of gathering on high speed highways, surrounding cars, and trying to assault the drivers. If the driver is not permitted to "mow down" protestors (meaning trying to get away when the pedestrians are trying to prevent that), this means that drivers have no way of defending themselves against such attacks at all.
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Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by Vecr on Sunday November 21, 2021 @12:15PM (#29297895)
What do you mean by "false"? Did you forget the LA riots?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots#Attack_...

Do not stop the car. Do not get out. Do not surrender. Kill as many as you need to save yourself.

Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by dctoedt on Sunday November 21, 2021 @01:14PM (#29298336)
From the linked Wikipedia article about the Rodney King riots: "In another incident, the LAPD and Marines intervened in a domestic dispute in Compton, in which the suspect held his wife and children hostage. As the officers approached, the suspect fired two shotgun rounds through the door, injuring some of the officers. One of the officers yelled to the Marines, "Cover me," as per law enforcement training to be prepared to fire if necessary. However, per their military training, the Marines interpreted the wording as providing cover by establishing a base of firepower, resulting in a total of 200 rounds being sprayed into the house. Remarkably, neither the suspect nor the woman and children inside the house were harmed."
Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by tessierashpool on Sunday November 21, 2021 @11:59PM (#29302939)
> What do you mean by "false"? Did you forget the LA riots?

that's not a tactic. that's an isolated incident in a riot which occurred 30 years ago.

the GP said protestors had developed a tactic, implying recency, frequency, and deliberate planning; not that rioters had done it one time, spontaneously, in one isolated incident, 30 years ago.

that's what I meant by "false." GP said something false, so I identified it as false.

Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by arcticbull on Sunday November 21, 2021 @02:55PM (#29299143)
Read that back to yourself and ask which country you live in.
Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by 0x0nyandesu on Sunday November 21, 2021 @03:10PM (#29299264)
The one where I can defend myself obviously
Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by arcticbull on Sunday November 21, 2021 @03:48PM (#29299566)
One where you need to kill people for stealing car parts my dude, holy moly, that’s not just terrifying it’s embarrassing.
Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by 0x0nyandesu on Sunday November 21, 2021 @06:32PM (#29300879)
Paying $10k to fix my car right now would be literally taking food off the table for my kids and making them have to do with less over the next year during their prime development. Please reconsider what is actually embarrassing and to whom.
Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by arcticbull on Sunday November 21, 2021 @08:28PM (#29301686)
I recommend a comprehensive car insurance policy in lieu of execution, and also rebuilding the state.
Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by tessierashpool on Monday November 22, 2021 @12:03AM (#29302952)
you can get a catalytic converter for a Porsche 911 on eBay for $1K. what are you driving that you need $10K to replace the cat?

it wouldn't make a difference, because arguing that you can commit murder in response to theft is obviously completely ridiculous, and flies in the face of all relevant legal principles and precedents going back at least to the root of our legal system, the Magna Carta of 1215.

but I am nonetheless curious what on earth you are driving where the catalytic converter costs ten thousand dollars.

Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by 0x0nyandesu on Monday November 22, 2021 @03:41AM (#29304206)
It doesn't matter. You aren't allowed to install after market converters on vehicles in california. Currently it takes 1-2 months to get one in the first place and then two weeks for installation. During that time the insurance company is paying for your rental and you are out a deductable. After 30 days you pay 1k per month for a rental at the insurance rate. During all this you are out time and money driving back and forth dealing with the problem. In all after work opportunity lost you are easily out 5-10k while the criminal barely nets a few hundred bucks. If it's a new Honda your car is depreciating in value while you can't even use it.

There's a reason why we give people the right to defend their life and property with violence. It keeps people civil.

Hell we let people get away with mowing down jaywalkers in LA. Why is it any different for a thief?

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/catalytic-converter...

By the way a new converter for a Honda is 3k right now. We didn't even discuss repairs and missed work from having to deal with it.

Sounds easy with a tech income. Not so much when you're working a minimum wage gig.

Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by ambicapter on Sunday November 21, 2021 @09:24PM (#29302030)
If you bought a car where it costs you $10k to replace a catalytic converter, you have no business having anything to do with deciding anything in the legal system, period.
Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by 0x0nyandesu on Monday November 22, 2021 @04:08AM (#29304377)
Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by imarid on Sunday November 21, 2021 @08:31PM (#29301711)
It just baffles me that in mostly christian country like US any kind of money is more important than human life.
Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by veeti on Sunday November 21, 2021 @10:48PM (#29302507)
It wasn't about stealing car parts, it was about getting the shit beat out of you in broad daylight.

> Denny suffered a fractured skull and impairment of his speech and ability to walk, for which he underwent years of rehabilitative therapy.

Would you rather just take your chances?

Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by greedo on Sunday November 21, 2021 @01:18PM (#29298369)
Thirty years ago. And this wasn't on a "high speed highway" it was on Florence Ave.

And equating largely peaceful protests with the LA riots is really a mistake. The LA riots turned violent very quickly, while the BLM marches stayed peaceful by and large with the exception of right-wing agitators who started looting and fires under false flag operations.

Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by solarhoma on Sunday November 21, 2021 @01:58PM (#29298723)
There are plenty of videos from the summer of 2020 showing BLM rioters attacking vehicles and their occupants.
Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by fredophile on Sunday November 21, 2021 @02:20PM (#29298888)
I searched for "BLM rioters attacking vehicle". The first result was an article about a driver being attacked and pulled from their vehicle. The protestors accused the driver of assaulting them before entering the vehicle. The second article was about protestors attacking a driver who attempted to drive through the crowd. All of the rest of the links in the rest of the page were about drivers running over protestors. Perhaps you could provide a link or two to back up your assertion.
Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by solarhoma on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @08:57AM (#29403626)
Here is a video of a recent attack. Sounds like this is from last night. I saved the headline of the post for context.

https://streamable.com/svs5ps

Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by superflit2 on Sunday November 21, 2021 @02:43PM (#29299044)
Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by fredophile on Sunday November 21, 2021 @04:04PM (#29299699)
Here's a TL;DR of the links: [0] Guy gets into an argument with protestors, then crashes his truck. Protestors fight guy. [1] Guy exits vehicle and argues with protestors. Cop breaks it up before things get out of hand. [2] Guy (accidentally) runs over a cyclist at a protest. Protestors get angry and trash car. [3] Youtube takes down a video, puts it back up with age restrictions.

In the two cases where protestors attacked a vehicle or its occupants either the driver already had an altercation with protestors or the vehicle struck a protestor. The original comment I was replying to implied that there was lots of footage of protestors attacking people in cars. This doesn't show any evidence of that. I still haven't seen any evidence that there is a problem of protestors attacking random cars and their occupants.

Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by pessimizer on Sunday November 21, 2021 @03:16PM (#29299314)
This is the internet, if you found one you can just share it.
Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by tessierashpool on Monday November 22, 2021 @12:04AM (#29302960)
> There are plenty of videos from the summer of 2020 showing BLM rioters attacking vehicles and their occupants.

false.

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Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by Nursie on Sunday November 21, 2021 @10:04PM (#29302271)
> far more violent than the Capitol riot

But weren't actually aimed at destroying american democracy, so there's that...

Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by pasabagi on Sunday November 21, 2021 @04:44PM (#29300054)
>they were certainly far more violent than the Capitol riot since they very literally included orders of magnitude more violence, destruction, and death.

... And orders of magnitude more people. Per-capita, the capitol riot is obviously more violent, and that's the only way it makes sense to measure violence. Otherwise I could say that ISIS members are less violent than catholics.

Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by NoImmatureAdHom on Sunday November 21, 2021 @09:27PM (#29302054)
Your perspective is correct (looking at it per capita), but as I recall only one person was murdered in the capitol riot, and that person was shot by police. One police officer was beaten. It's not clear to me off-the-cuff that BLM was more or less violent than the capitol riot.
Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by TeeMassive on Sunday November 21, 2021 @02:13PM (#29298836)
It happened in Chaz
Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by dmoy on Sunday November 21, 2021 @02:56PM (#29299149)
That was not on a high speed roadway
Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by TeeMassive on Sunday November 21, 2021 @07:46PM (#29301384)
And?
Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by dmoy on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:28PM (#29326653)
So it doesn't really fit the bill of "gathering on high speed roadways, surrounding cars, ..."
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Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by tdfx on Sunday November 21, 2021 @02:52PM (#29299121)
I don't think being pulled from your car and beaten by an angry mob is the typical definition of inconvenience.
Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by omgwtfbyobbq on Sunday November 21, 2021 @04:57PM (#29300152)
Had they been pulled from their vehicle, sure.

In this instance they appear to be the ones doing the pushing (of protestors) and pulling (of horses).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5CnkBVEJ0Y

Neither the driver or the protesters should have been acting like a-holes, but the driver has a higher standard of care given that they're operating a 3+ ton hunk of metal and plastic.

Re:Why thieves love to steal catalytic converters by s1artibartfast on Sunday November 21, 2021 @09:12PM (#29301967)
I think the point of such laws is to shift more of the standard of care to pedestrians illegally protesting on roads meant to transport 3 ton hunks of metal.