But how does that affect my conclusion that the vaccinated still have to be careful and herd immunity is unlikely to be a thing? A false sense of security is a problem in itself.
Yeah right, gonna have to see a reference for that. Is it 'some vaccinated people have been found with equivalent amounts of virus' or 'on average they have the same amount of virus'. Because they're vastly different scenarios.
> For people infected with the Delta variant, similar amounts of viral genetic material have been found among both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people.
- https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-var...
https://els-jbs-prod-cdn.jbs.elsevierhealth.com/pb-assets/La...
Surely probability of transmission is the key factor determining whether vaccination reduces the spread of the disease?
Do you want to be known as the sort of person who claims "it's in the literature" but never provides cites?
Or do you want to be known as the sort of person who says "it's at this link"?
Unless you have gained name recognition, HN is a series of games in which you can decide to play or not in any given round, has limited but real downside (in terms of fake internet points), and not very limited upside.
So you can get away with being a defector on occasion, but it's much better to be a cooperator.
Anyway - my first google link - https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/no-vacc...
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/10/12/1044553...
"If you actually isolate virus from people who are getting a secondary infection after being vaccinated, that virus is less good at infecting cells,"
"all 37 case patients for whom data were available regarding the source of infection, the suspected source was an unvaccinated person."
This was a story told to us in the beginning of widespread vaccination, but is disproven since we have evidence that vaccinated people can carry and spread the virus. The story changed to we are less likely to spread it, but there is also evidence for similar amounts of virus in vaccinated people, so I take it with a grain of salt given the history. (multiple reputable sources readily available on Google)
It's important to know and spread this information as it means that even though vaccinated people protect themselves from harsh symptoms they still have to be careful not to spread the virus.