Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the definition of bloatware

Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by ineedasername on Saturday November 20, 2021 @01:17PM (#29290449)

I've been involved in a bunch of large Enterprise purchases and reputation definitely was a consideration. We typically interview other customers to find out their pros/cons and in one case travelled onsite to another customer to not only talk to them but go over their installation in person. (These were all done without a vendor representative present, and I can think of a few cases where it made the difference in deciding not to go with a vendor)

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by thesuperbigfrog on Saturday November 20, 2021 @10:28AM (#29288905)

>> Nobody chooses software based on reputation.

That's why Google has been so successful with Stadia.

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by jchw on Saturday November 20, 2021 @10:34AM (#29288948)

Stadia isn’t even a good idea in the first place. Even if it is the best implementation of the idea, I still have no idea how it could ever make much sense. Other players in the space, like GeForce Now, don’t exactly look appealing either.

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by foldr on Saturday November 20, 2021 @02:13PM (#29290932)

What makes you say that? I find Stadia works really great for me as a gaming platform. I don't have any issues with lag and I like not having to have a noisy console in my living room. The only issue with it is the limited library, but that's not inherent to the basic idea.

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by 41b696ef1113 on Saturday November 20, 2021 @12:30PM (#29290030)

I think the value proposition is definitely there for a "rent a gaming pc" service. Cost/library/performance are thorny problems to solve, but if I were able to ditch my Windows PC[0] for a robust solution, I could consider it. Seemingly the only way I would possibly be able to utilize a current generation Nvidia equivalent card.

[0] I use Linux, but no, Proton is not fully there. Plenty of games either do not work or have enough glitches that make it unacceptable.

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by nitrogen on Saturday November 20, 2021 @01:24PM (#29290514)

You would need a very large number of colocation setups to get latency low enough.

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by Bobylonian on Saturday November 20, 2021 @02:15PM (#29290942)

But looking on global picture and far in future with satellite internet - that is easily solvable, but technical issues on running those games in Stadia are least things that people are concerned about.

My personal preferences is owning a game library, because not always I play games, that require co-op or connection, but if the future is that you are opening browser and playing game from vast library of games on TV, for wich you pay subscription fee, then Stadia is on the right track. Actually, Stadia would be only one of many services and most probably that would be combined with Microsoft gaming. Looking in retrospect, most of the things are logical from what Microsoft was doing, but the question to me is always about if this is something I want as well. Looking on how automatic updates behaves on my Windows 10, it seems that 2022 is the year, I am abandoning Windows. And Stadia here is least thing I am worried about, because I don't.

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by dehrmann on Saturday November 20, 2021 @05:14PM (#29292334)

> satellite internet - that is easily solvable

Starlink's latency is probably barely OK for multiplayer games, but not for remote rendering.

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by sangnoir on Saturday November 20, 2021 @12:17PM (#29289913)

I know it's a niche market, but Stadia is really convenient when traveling. All you need to pack is a controller.

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by throwaway2048 on Saturday November 20, 2021 @01:50PM (#29290743)

assuming you only travel to places with good internet and a nearby stadia server

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by cobertos on Saturday November 20, 2021 @02:03PM (#29290842)

Idk, I had a good time with shadow.tech? Mostly because I use Linux and wanted to play a game that doesn't port to Windows well (Roblox, due to anticheat not getting along with Wine).

GeForce Now and Stadia didn't have the games I wanted to play so I wasn't able to use them.

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by weird-eye-issue on Saturday November 20, 2021 @10:33AM (#29288943)

Bad example because none of the "cloud gaming" companies have been very successful

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by marcodiego on Saturday November 20, 2021 @10:38AM (#29288986)

Stadia is a service. Actually very few people have the luxury of being able to choose their software. When compatibility, previous knowledge or an specific feature is key, people simply can't choose.

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by FormerBandmate on Saturday November 20, 2021 @01:03PM (#29290311)

Stadia has no backwards compatibility, established user base, or ecosystem lock-in. Gmail and Android do, so despite having many of the same issues as Stadia, they’re incredibly popular

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by gman83 on Saturday November 20, 2021 @03:42PM (#29291667)

Stadia has been great for me. I just love it.

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by speed_spread on Saturday November 20, 2021 @01:55PM (#29290787)

The commercial value of software is _nothing but reputation_. Would you buy software tools from a company about to go bankrupt? You pay for software with the idea that what you're not trusting your data and operations to a technological dead end. The problem here being that nobody is paying for software anymore in an ad-revenue model, meaning that companies have much less to lose doing that kind of shit.

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by reaperducer on Saturday November 20, 2021 @11:38AM (#29289546)

Nobody chooses software based on reputation.

I guess you didn't live through the "Nobody got fired for buying IBM" era, which later became the "Nobody got fired for buying Microsoft" era that seems to be ending.

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by slac on Saturday November 20, 2021 @03:07PM (#29291426)

It is now the "nobody got fired for buying a Gartner report" era.

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by FormerBandmate on Saturday November 20, 2021 @01:04PM (#29290318)

Corporate clients definitely pick based on reputation. Why do you think Teams is bigger than Slack

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by azalemeth on Saturday November 20, 2021 @01:52PM (#29290763)

I'd argue that Teams is bigger than Slack because Microsoft pulled a fast one, exploited their monopoly, and included it "for free" with the rest of their licenses, rather than getting people to sign up de novo. The fact that it's worse in every meaningful way than the competition, yet far wider used, highlights the whole problem quite neatly.

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by mattkevan on Saturday November 20, 2021 @05:28PM (#29292408)

We have to use teams because teams is free. Despite it being terrible. There was also a push for us to switch from Miro to Microsoft whiteboard. Until a senior manager actually had to use whiteboard and they realised it was terrible.

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by ryantgtg on Saturday November 20, 2021 @01:28PM (#29290566)

Don’t they “choose” Teams because it integrates with outlook/sharepoint/etc? That seems to be the case at my job. Basically, Teams replaced Skype.

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by ghostly_s on Saturday November 20, 2021 @01:08PM (#29290357)

Because of Office license lock-in, not reputation.

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by behnamoh on Saturday November 20, 2021 @01:35PM (#29290625)

Part of it is rational, because they see lots of chaos/noise in the market while having to make too many decisions. Following the "best practices" only saves them decision-making time. Might not be the "best" in practice, but at least they don't have to examine a gazillion options that are available.

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by unethical_ban on Saturday November 20, 2021 @01:13PM (#29290412)

Teams is bigger than slack? Like, the executable?

Teams is an abomination; something to be cast into the fires of Mount Doom. Slack is miles better for everyday communication.

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by breakfastduck on Saturday November 20, 2021 @01:23PM (#29290506)

I agree its absolutely awful but Teams is far bigger than Slack, I'm not sure why you'd argue that.

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Re:Microsoft Edge’s new ‘Buy now, pay later’ feature is the ... by unethical_ban on Saturday November 20, 2021 @02:30PM (#29291089)

My sample size of three large companies, two use Slack. Boom.

(I did move the goalposts from "deployment size" to "quality").

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