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Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by noneeeed on Monday November 15, 2021 @03:43PM (#29232443)
The current UX of notifications is terrible. After months of using it I still don't understand the mental model. A notification comes up, I hover and wait for the cross to appear and click it. But then some time later I unlock my machine or something happens and apparantly all my notifications are still there for some reason and I have to clear them again, only this time they are in groups and I have to clear multiple groups.

Somehow Apple took a UX flow that was fine and made something that regularly makes me feel stupid because I don't understand what I'm supposed to do to make it behave in a way that makes sense.

Notifications are such a simple thing, but they somehow made them complex.

Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by gcanyon on Monday November 15, 2021 @03:49PM (#29232533)
For me the issue is notifications that appear, then disappear, and I can’t find them again, or what they refer to. If it’s important enough to do a notification, it’s important enough to keep in a notification log that I can go through chronologically, search, group, sort, etc. I will high five the person who tells me how that feature exists and I’ve just missed it.
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by have_faith on Monday November 15, 2021 @05:24PM (#29233682)
This happens to me a lot. Somehow I miss the initial notification but catch it as it animates away and I don't know how to find out what it was or what app caused it.
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by Turing_Machine on Monday November 15, 2021 @08:45PM (#29235611)
> I will high five the person who tells me how that feature exists and I’ve just missed it.

Yeah, same here.

Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by chrisweekly on Monday November 15, 2021 @09:17PM (#29235900)
I'm probably missing context (skimmed comments quickly on phone after a long day), but just in case it helps: on iOS, swipe straight down from the very top to access Notification Center. IME, on iOS, it's a reliable way to access them.
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by Turing_Machine on Monday November 15, 2021 @09:29PM (#29235994)
Thanks --- I did know about that. For whatever reason, though, that doesn't appear to reliably bring back all notifications, only some of them. While I definitely could be wrong, I'm just about 100% certain that I've had notifications come and go that aren't to be found in the Notification Center afterward.
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by asteiger on Monday November 15, 2021 @10:22PM (#29236379)
In the notifications settings/preferences, on a per-app basis, you can set whether notifications are displayed to allow banners, badges, and sounds. And you can turn on/off whether the notification posts to the lock screen, or stay in the notification center (swipe down on iOS, click the clock in the menu bar on OSX)
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by gcanyon on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @12:35AM (#29237254)
I'll have to look into this, but my experience has been that Notification Center: doesn't display everything; loses things on a whim; gives no way of recovering things, or displaying all things.
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by drcongo on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @11:25AM (#29242414)
It definitely does. One reliable way I've noticed for this to happen is if you have the app that caused the notification open on another device. Presumably that app is then saying to the notifications system "don't worry, I've got this", but then that notification disappears on all devices.
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by scalar42 on Monday November 15, 2021 @07:43PM (#29235072)
The notification history feature does exist, on Android (11 I'm using). It can show you both the recently dismissed notifications and the ones in the last 24 hours, grouping by apps.
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by riversflow on Monday November 15, 2021 @11:32PM (#29236885)
> important enough to do a notification, it’s important enough to keep in a notification log that I can go through chronologically, search, group, sort, etc.

In light of a grandchild comment to this one about notification center on iPhone, I'll offer that on Mac you can do a two-finger swipe from the right side of the touch pad to get notification center. It doesn't have search, but they are grouped in stacks chronologically. There is no default hotkey, but you can set one in system settings.

Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by latexr on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @07:44AM (#29239862)
> on Mac you can do a two-finger swipe from the right side of the touch pad to get notification center.

Or click the clock.

Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by op12op12 on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @02:48PM (#29245518)
Which kind of goes back to the earlier point:

> I don't understand what I'm supposed to do to make it behave in a way that makes sense.

There used to be an actual icon for it to the right of the clock. Why would someone think to click on the clock to access their notifications? This apparently also led to the clock becoming mandatory instead of being able to hide it if you wanted to use different options.

Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by mixmastamyk on Monday November 15, 2021 @05:13PM (#29233551)
Don't get me started on the new iOS podcast app. I used to know how to use it. Now I need to click five times at random to get anywhere, and still don't understand where I am. All the views look similar, but different. I just want to hear the oldest first and see if episodes are downloaded, that's it. Cue… "you had one job!"

Yes, been about six months.

Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by josephg on Monday November 15, 2021 @06:47PM (#29234572)
Try Overcast. It’s one of the best pieces of software on my iPhone. Simple, well thought through and reliable. And the speed controls are the best I’ve seen in any program.

It’s the sort of software apple makes when they’re at their best. Much better than the built in podcast app.

Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by EricE on Friday November 19, 2021 @11:55AM (#29279300)
The audio controls in Overcast are what made it must-have software for me. I had a few podcasts with audio so bad they were barely listenable that the voice boost function in Overcast was able to make them actually listenable. That and the shorten silence feature combined with the excellent audio processing if you listen at higher speed have allowed me to really optimize my podcast consumption. Highly recommended!
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by ghaff on Monday November 15, 2021 @08:36PM (#29235542)
I like Overcast. Though neither it nor anything else really comes close to letting me play podcasts with some degree of reasonable selection when I'm driving. Maybe too difficult a problem and reflecting that voice assistants are pretty limited.
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by oasisbob on Monday November 15, 2021 @06:34PM (#29234434)
I'm still trying to figure out how to tell Podcasts not to play episodes I've heard before.

Play #27 of Show, then #26, and after playing #26, it will automatically choose to go on with #27 again.

Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by alwillis on Monday November 15, 2021 @11:16PM (#29236743)
I haven’t used it in a while but when I did, it was pretty bad.

One annoying bug: if you switch to a different podcast sometimes, even when the new podcast starts playing, it continues to show the cover art of the previous podcast for a while. Super annoying.

What’s even more frustrating is how buggy streaming music to a HomePod mini is.

Even though I’m the only person in my household using it, I frequently get errors that I can’t play something because someone else is playing something, which turns out to be something I played a while ago.

Things seemed better before the latest HomePod software upgrade…

Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by datavirtue on Monday November 15, 2021 @06:25PM (#29234337)
Hmmm....I was just cursing out Amazon Music for the same podcast flaws. These people.
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by Slartie on Monday November 15, 2021 @06:28PM (#29234375)
If there only were any other podcast apps out there, maintained by independent, non-apple developers...
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by mixmastamyk on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @01:00PM (#29243950)
If only there were a built-in podcast app that wasn't a mess, like there used to be for the previous ten years. That wasn't broken on purpose, and folks from Stockholm didn't feel a need to defend.
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by laurent92 on Monday November 15, 2021 @05:25PM (#29233692)
The new generation (some young employees/interns) are awesome about notifications. I arrive on their screen and tell them they have a notification pending. And then they showed me:

They ignore them. Red dot? Ignore. Blinking red dot jumping in the docker? They live with it. They say macOS is terrible because it has red dots, sometimes worse than Windows. One is colorblind which helps, but really, they got used to Windows nagging them, Youtube nagging them, websites where the cookie banner and the consent form. They try to deactivate as many notifications as they can, but they tend to avoid the cross itself, or they avoid clicking on the Slack icon to remove the dot. They just let it jump on the sidebar.

Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by 3np on Monday November 15, 2021 @11:01PM (#29236639)
A whole generation damaged by data-abuse-consent banners.
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by philg_jr on Monday November 15, 2021 @04:06PM (#29232762)
As a new iOS user, this is the #1 thing that makes me want to sell my 12 Mini and go back to vanilla Android. Notifications are a total mess in iOS.
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by tomtheelder on Monday November 15, 2021 @05:05PM (#29233451)
Unquestionably it's the biggest gap. Having also switched recently, notifications on iOS feel like stepping literally 10 years into the past.
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by mft_ on Monday November 15, 2021 @06:09PM (#29234163)
I think it’s worse than that. IIRC I had the second model of Android phone ever released in the UK, and even that phone’s notification system was superior to iOS of 2021.

I’ve always assumed patents are to blame - I mean, surely no one at Apple uses their iOS notifications and thinks “yes, that system is perfect in every way”? There must be other factors at work?

Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by josephg on Monday November 15, 2021 @06:50PM (#29234598)
Can you elaborate? I have an iPhone and notifications seem fine. But I’m probably missing something. I haven’t had an android phone in nearly a decade. What do android notifications do differently and better?
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by mft_ on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @04:45AM (#29238706)
From memory (my last use of Android it was a long time ago!) it was a combination of two factors:

1) Android's system relied on icons appearing on the bar at the top of the screen (e.g. a mail icon for mail, or a message icon for a text, etc.) - which was both unintrusive, and very quick and practical to check. To check a message, you'd just pull down the menu from that bar, and you'd see your different notifications in more detail, most recent first, and a tap would take you to the app. It was a lovely holistic concept. In contrast, iOS has some aspects of this, but it's not holistic:

* Red dots on icons indicate waiting content, but don't reflect when the content is from (unless you're obsessed with clearing all of your red dots - which would be a problem in itself)

* The notification center offers a list of notifications, but it's not linked to a visual reminder - you have to remember to check it.

* The notification center is shown on the lock screen, but IME it's buggy, not always responsive, and sometimes disappears confusingly.

* There are also banners which pop up (and there used to be alerts?) but these aren't connected with the other approaches.

TL;DR: Android had a single holistic approach; iOS has a variety of apparently unrelated approaches.

2) When you're using your phone or computer (it happens on MacOS too) many of Apple's notifications distract you and demand your attention or action. This would include banners which hang around obstructing part of your screen and need a swipe to remove them, or alerts which must be interacted with before you can do anything else. I find this a fundamentally user-unfriendly paradigm.

Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by denimnerd42 on Monday November 15, 2021 @10:25PM (#29236398)
i think lack of application open selection is worse. like there’s no way to get a 3rd party reddit app to open on a browser link
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by Tsiklon on Monday November 15, 2021 @10:34PM (#29236467)
Apollo has a safari extension that will auto open Reddit links in Apollo.
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by denimnerd42 on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @10:12AM (#29241401)
oh interesting.. new in iOS 15
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by crooked-v on Monday November 15, 2021 @05:36PM (#29233811)
Also, while this isn't so much a macOS as an iOS thing, there are a huge number of apps that take advantage of wanting functional notifications turned on ("your food has arrived") to constantly spam the user with marketing notifications ("sign up for FoodPass, 50% off!").
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by gumby on Monday November 15, 2021 @07:32PM (#29234979)
I hate that! iOS 15 has a way to filter that — you can have a special “focus” that allows notifications for all those abusive companies, which you can enable when expecting a delivery or have made a restaurant reso.
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by neilpanchal on Monday November 15, 2021 @08:24PM (#29235452)
Facepalm. I noticed that too and ranted about it: https://neil.computer/notes/apple-ux-ui-is-regressing/
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by gnicholas on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @12:38AM (#29237267)
You’ve nailed it. I upgraded from Mojave to Monterey, so I didn’t know when this change kicked in (or if there had been multiple iterations that made the new process more intuitive for users who had upgraded each year).

The only thing I’ve learned about dealing with these new notification types is that you can hover over them and swipe left to right to dismiss them. Unfortunately the notification will reappear sometimes. It seems like this happens for calendar notifications but not Messages notifications.

Anyone else have tips for how to deal with this? In ready to turn off notifications completely, which is unfortunate because I like to have calendar notifications (but only once).

Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by mulmen on Monday November 15, 2021 @06:17PM (#29234256)
It's even better that in some cases (calendar invites?) you have to mouse over the notification "x" to see the dropdown to "accept" but if you move your mouse off the "x" then the dropdown disappears!
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by SkyPuncher on Monday November 15, 2021 @09:00PM (#29235766)
I know it's minor, but managing virtual desktops is infuriating. There after I take the two steps necessary to manage virtual desktops (swipe four fingers up and move the mouse to the top of the screen). There are exactly 4 actions I want to take:

* Select a desktop (even this is questionable as an action) * Re-arrange a desktop * Add a desktop * Remove a desktop

----

Nearly all of the time, I want to remove a desktop because I have too many of them.

I would expect a sane UI where the X button is always shown _and_ deleting a desktop results in a new X in the exact same spot (so I can quickly close multiple desktops).

Instead, I have to hover to reveal the x, click it. Everything then shifts to a magic new location where I have to repeat hover, find X, click it.

Drives me up the wall.

Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by gord288 on Monday November 15, 2021 @09:44PM (#29236118)
Possibly this is the "Automatically rearrange Spaces..." setting in the Mission Control prefPane?
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by tailspin2019 on Monday November 15, 2021 @06:28PM (#29234376)
Same for me. Notifications on macOS weren’t great before but they are way worse now.

Before they were an annoyance; but now they’re just utterly baffling to me. I have no idea what I’m supposed to click half the time and they seem to come back randomly for me too.

Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by sj4nz on Monday November 15, 2021 @08:45PM (#29235606)
The notifications come back in just about the same way the Algorithm scrambles timelines on the social media apps--its just like they're trying to keep you engaged in using the phone.

Ideally, the notifications should have two very simple views: a linear list by time, a grouped-by-application list and the ability to mark and sweep them away.

Or maybe at the most, an archive all notifications sweep that you can re-open if you remember that you wanted to see an old notification.

Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by drewg123 on Monday November 15, 2021 @04:51PM (#29233274)
I wish there was some way to look at the last N notifications, see what apps generated them, etc.

My biggest pet peeve right now is that my iPhone bongs when charging. Not when the charger is plugged or unplugged (its a different sound). It seems to happen when the charge passes 20% and then again when it passes 80%. But there is never a notification on screen, just a sound. Googling for this is impossible, since you wind up with a million questions about the sound the phone makes when a charger is plugged in.

Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by ethbr0 on Monday November 15, 2021 @05:11PM (#29233526)
I feel like users don't actually want notifications; they want Kafka with a nice UI.

On the other hand, developers (and specifically, ones with engagement KPIs) want as disposable notifications as possible.

Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by laurent92 on Monday November 15, 2021 @05:28PM (#29233733)
At 20% iOS deactivates the powersaving mode, I think.

At 80% iOS notifies that it is charged enough, so you can unplug if you want to avoid supercharging it.

Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by drewg123 on Monday November 15, 2021 @06:18PM (#29234265)
Sure, but do you know how can I disable these bings? Or even where to find them in the settings? This is what's impossible to google for...

They're incredibly annoying and prevent me from charging my phone when I sleep.

Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by concinds on Monday November 15, 2021 @07:40PM (#29235045)
As far as I'm aware there's nothing in the OS that should do that, at least by default. Perhaps an accessibility option. Or your charger is finnicky and somehow disconnects during charging a few times, but you say the sound is different. If you record it, and post it on reddit, they might be able to identify it.
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by pram on Monday November 15, 2021 @07:40PM (#29235047)
The silent mode switch? I’ve never heard them.
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by latexr on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @07:42AM (#29239837)
> I hover and wait for the cross to appear and click it.

If you’re manually dismissing every notification, consider going to your System Preferences and changing the notification type for those apps.

> all my notifications are still there for some reason and I have to clear them again, only this time they are in groups and I have to clear multiple groups.

Last I checked notifications over a week old are auto-cleared, so ignore the cleanup and only open Notification Centre when you need to check on a previous notification.

Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by endofreach on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @07:02PM (#29247866)
As much as i am with you on this, i must say it‘s pretty good for someone like me.

I usually swipe notifications away. Then forget about them. Lock the screen and go „ah, damn.“

But obviously, this shouldn‘t be forced on normal people.

Apple has lost what they had.