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Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by salamandersauce on Monday November 15, 2021 @01:56PM (#29231094)
Is this not true on Mac? Updates in particular take forever on MacOS. I find Windows updates take like 5 minutes usually. MacOS has been a half hour or more for some of the point updates I've done.

Bloatware is still there, iMovie, Garageband, iWork is IMO bloat. Slightly more quality bloat maybe but I don't need 20GB taken up by stuff I'll literally never use.

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Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by Tagbert on Monday November 15, 2021 @03:33PM (#29232320)
IMovie, GarageBand and iWork are not installed by default and you can remove them at any time.

Recent Mac OS updates are monolithic signed binaries that load into the protected disk partitions reserved for the OS. This is security feature to limit which processes can modify the OS. The downside is that it can’t do differential updates. I hope that, at some point, Apple will work out how to securely do differential updates and speed this up, but I’m satisfied with slower updates if it maintains security.

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Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by sahaskatta on Monday November 15, 2021 @07:19PM (#29234867)
I just got a brand new Macbook Air M1 a few days ago. It probably took an hour to update to Monterey out of the box. It failed and I had to reboot a few times and re-install again.

Pages, Numbers, Keynote, Garage Band, and iMovie are pre-installed. I don't use these apps and they are easy to uninstall, but they definitely came pre-loaded.

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Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by salamandersauce on Monday November 15, 2021 @03:43PM (#29232441)
When did they stop including them because they were absolutely included on both the Macs I bought a few years ago...
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Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by woodson on Monday November 15, 2021 @07:56PM (#29235185)
The are still included and installed by default.
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