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Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by salamandersauce on Monday November 15, 2021 @03:43PM (#29232441)
When did they stop including them because they were absolutely included on both the Macs I bought a few years ago...
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Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by woodson on Monday November 15, 2021 @07:56PM (#29235185)
The are still included and installed by default.
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