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Re:There may be a steep privacy cost if you park here by akudha on Sunday November 14, 2021 @02:25PM (#29219817)
Years ago, I was at a huge electronics store in NYC. I wanted to buy something small, maybe 30 bucks worth. The cashier won’t bill unless I gave him my phone number. I asked him why he needs my number, he said “in case you return the item”. I told him he needs the receipt, not phone number, while returning items. He didn’t budge. I didn’t want to cause a scene, so I left without purchasing.

It is not just collecting the information, it is also treating customers like idiots and with total contempt. I never set foot in that store again.

There should be a oath (like doctors) for software professionals. I don’t think it will practically change anything, but at least it will create a tiny bit of awareness. People who code shit like this parking app should really ask themselves if it is worth it

Re:There may be a steep privacy cost if you park here by ben_w on Sunday November 14, 2021 @02:58PM (#29220089)
“You need a number? Ok, +44 908 …” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premium-rate_telephone_number

I hear you though. I failed to receive a flight ticket because the airline accepted but could not use an address with a + before the @; and when I tried to use a website to prove my identity to get a local SIM after moving county, customer service claimed to only support Windows and Android and wouldn’t help me when I connected via a Mac and my phone was from Apple; and the local public transport app didn’t let me buy tickets when it was installed on an iPad, only on a phone; and a few days ago I got an invoice with “click here to pay” text, except the invoice is an image and there is no hyperlink.

Re:There may be a steep privacy cost if you park here by anjbe on Sunday November 14, 2021 @05:01PM (#29221146)
Using a premium‐rate phone number doesn’t help anything though. Like the parent mentioned, it’s not like the retailer ever actually calls the number. The problem is that advertisers use the number to correlate one person’s activity across multiple retailers and services.
Re:There may be a steep privacy cost if you park here by mLuby on Sunday November 14, 2021 @02:45PM (#29219974)
To be fair to the cashier, they were probably given no choice in the matter. One of those "I'm sorry, the system won't let me proceed without this info."

"Required form fields" are one of those great power/great responsibility things.

Re:There may be a steep privacy cost if you park here by akudha on Sunday November 14, 2021 @03:04PM (#29220138)
I am not mad at the cashier at all. Poor kid was probably paid the bare minimum and had nothing to do with any policy. That is why I didn’t argue with him (plus there were customers behind me, I didn’t want to hold the line). I asked him once, and left immediately after.

Retail workers are already in a shitty job, no point in making it worse

Re:There may be a steep privacy cost if you park here by jcpst on Sunday November 14, 2021 @02:48PM (#29220002)
It makes me wonder, when I draw a line in the sand with a clerk, how often they just enter junk data into the system so they can get on with their shift.
Re:There may be a steep privacy cost if you park here by rurp on Sunday November 14, 2021 @04:45PM (#29221040)
Many years ago I worked as a cashier (at Trader Joes no less) and occasionally had to ask customers for this sort of information. I had zero problem just punching in fake data if the customer didn't want to provide it, and sometimes I just went ahead without asking, if the customer was clearly busy with a crazy kid/pet/whatever.

Some cashiers were diligent about the data collection but many, probably most, had a similar approach to mine.

Re:There may be a steep privacy cost if you park here by BeFlatXIII on Sunday November 14, 2021 @08:30PM (#29222579)
Poisoning data collection is one of the many small positive actions a front-line employee can make without too much risk to their livelihood.
Re:There may be a steep privacy cost if you park here by mixmastamyk on Monday November 15, 2021 @01:07AM (#29224280)
What kind of data? I’ve had stores ask for telephone and said no but that’s about it.
Re:There may be a steep privacy cost if you park here by oceanghost on Sunday November 14, 2021 @04:53PM (#29221088)
Cosmo Kramer: They're trying to screw with your head.

Jerry: Now why would a junior high school want to screw with my head?

Cosmo Kramer: Why does Radio Shack ask for your phone number when you buy batteries? I don't know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgfaYKoQxzQ

Re:There may be a steep privacy cost if you park here by JohnFen on Sunday November 14, 2021 @09:46PM (#29223058)
I remember when they asked for your address as well. But, at every one I ever set foot in, they also took "no" for an answer.
Re:There may be a steep privacy cost if you park here by gnabgib on Sunday November 14, 2021 @04:30PM (#29220915)
Well done standing your ground. Some retailers will try the same with postal code/zip.. that's shameless marketing collection to show which regions are performing with fliers. You should always be able to say "No" (and many cashiers just accept this, but of course it's framed like you must to continue), if they push you `H0H 0H0` (those are zeros) is a valid Canadian postal code for a fellow who won't be visiting the policy creators.
Re:There may be a steep privacy cost if you park here by nicbou on Sunday November 14, 2021 @04:59PM (#29221130)
I like to believe that those who spam this postal code end up on the naughty list
Re:There may be a steep privacy cost if you park here by bojangleslover on Sunday November 14, 2021 @07:19PM (#29222089)
Same thing happened to me at Currys in the UK. Argued with the dude for half an hour and he finally gave in.

And they wonder why Amazon is dominating retail. Definitely heard that food and parking are different.

Re:There may be a steep privacy cost if you park here by chillwaves on Sunday November 14, 2021 @02:44PM (#29219970)
Imo, name and shame.
Re:There may be a steep privacy cost if you park here by JohnFen on Sunday November 14, 2021 @09:45PM (#29223048)
When I am faced with this sort of nonsense, and if I really need to make the purchase, I just make up whatever data they're asking for.
Re:There may be a steep privacy cost if you park here by seccess on Sunday November 14, 2021 @02:52PM (#29220036)
Next time you wind up in a situation like this, just lie about your number.
Re:There may be a steep privacy cost if you park here by akudha on Sunday November 14, 2021 @03:09PM (#29220186)
You’re missing the point, I think. Lying won’t help, as very few people would do it. Most people would just give their number - mostly because they don’t realize it is shit practice to collect numbers, some because they don’t want confrontation.

By politely pointing out the absurdity, we can maybe raise a tiny bit of awareness. I am sure at least a handful of people behind me in the line noticed.

Re:There may be a steep privacy cost if you park here by prepend on Sunday November 14, 2021 @03:08PM (#29220174)
My number is always 212-867-5309. And it works great for returns.

Comically, it seems many others use this as I frequently find loyalty points already there.

I’d like to find the club of likeminded folks.

Sadly more places are requiring validation.

Re:There may be a steep privacy cost if you park here by chana_masala on Sunday November 14, 2021 @04:24PM (#29220864)
Is the number arbitrary or a reason you chose it?
Re:There may be a steep privacy cost if you park here by wedowhatwedo on Sunday November 14, 2021 @04:34PM (#29220952)
Re:There may be a steep privacy cost if you park here by prepend on Sunday November 14, 2021 @05:29PM (#29221346)
Below links to the song. It is arbitrary I suppose as it could be any number that the songwriter worked into the lyrics.

It’s also funny when telemarketers from other countries aren’t familiar and accept it as a real number.