I wonder if Ferrari needs more programmers.

There's no reason for it if I'm doing back end DevOps. I don't want to work on "the product".

Facebook uses Facebook for internal comms as an alternative to GMail/Office. Would you use that if you worked there?

> Facebook uses Facebook for internal comms as an alternative to GMail/Office

No it doesn't. Are you familiar with a product called Workplace [0] released in 2016 [1]?

[0] https://www.workplace.com/

[1] https://www.pocket-lint.com/apps/news/facebook/139126-facebo...

I've been forced to use it. It's Facebook, for work (it used to be literally branded with that name). Easily the worst productivity tool I've ever used.

They haven't adjusted any of the engagement levers for the workplace tool, so you get so many notifications that they become useless (and the email versions are just teasers to get you to open workplace), you get an out of order "news feed", the groups UI is hard to understand and difficult to search, messenger is enabled in the UI and you can't turn it off, etc.

But yeah, it's Facebook, and it's what they use for everything internally.

Yes I know. That's part of the problem. I don't want to be in that eco system. Even just to apply for a job at Facebook they expect you to already have a Facebook account. The arrogance of the whole thing is just problematic.

While there are lots of reasons to not want to use Facebook, it's also pretty reasonable that refusing to use a potential employer's product would be pretty much a non-starter when it comes to employment.

Do you think that Ford only hires people that have only bought Ford all their lives? They check your car on the way to the interview and if it's not Ford you're automatically DQ'd?

How would that work being a new hire at Tesla considering that they probably pay a lot of folks less than is required to own one?

Cars, appliances, housing, fuel & energy, food, etc. Huge, huge swaths of the economy don't require brand loyalty because it's not reasonable to expect.

There was certainly a period when having Japanese-made cars in an American car manufacturer's parking lot was an invitation to (however much I disapprove) have your car smashed up.

But in more modern times, there's certainly a general expectation to use your employer's products when it's reasonable to do so even if they're not your preferred options. There are exceptions of course and tech companies are usually more flexible these days.

A better analogy would be if you refused to even go to fords website, or if during a company event, you refused to even step foot in a ford car that drove you somewhere.

I don't have a problem using it at work if they give me a work account that isn't publicly visible. It's more akin to being forced to give up your private vehicle and use the company car but for everything. So even when you need a van... Nope you're stuck with a moped.

You're supposed to use a personal/social account for workplace communication?