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Re:Show HN: Long Range E-Bike by seanmcdirmid on Friday November 12, 2021 @01:05PM (#29202523)
> A "bicycle" that can accelerate without the need to pedal at all is an electric motorcycle, no matter if you put pedal on it or not.

That sounds very American. Don’t we have Vespa scooters and mopeds in the USA as well? There are plenty of bike formats between bicycle and motorbikes.

In China most e-bikes aren’t pedal assists and no one would ever claim they were car road worthy vehicles, they got bike lanes or the side of the road, and are not allowed on the ring road. American bike lanes seems to be recreational, whereas in other countries that are oriented much more at daily life and more heavily used.

Re:Show HN: Long Range E-Bike by kube-system on Friday November 12, 2021 @03:32PM (#29204189)
Vespa style scooters are motorcycles in many US states, but there are exceptions.

Mopeds with engines under 50cc and that have pedals are often treated differently than motorcycles but some states still require licensing and registration similar to a motorcycle.

Re:Show HN: Long Range E-Bike by abakker on Friday November 12, 2021 @01:12PM (#29202616)
If its got a motor and it looks like a bike...

An an American, I agree with your assessment. to me, Vespas and Mopeds are motorbikes. they burn gas.

Pedal assist ebikes are a new category to me, and I don't think any of the current rules make much sense for that.

Re:Show HN: Long Range E-Bike by seanmcdirmid on Friday November 12, 2021 @02:03PM (#29203253)
Pedal assists were the original e bikes back in the early 2000s. But the Chinese found that just making throttle only e bikes was more economical, so that’s what came to dominate the biking ways in China (for people there, biking is more about practicalities and economy than recreation).

I’m sure most American heads would explode if they ever saw how moped, scooter, small motorbike traffic mixed with cars in Southeast Asia.

Re:Show HN: Long Range E-Bike by whimsicalism on Friday November 12, 2021 @03:00PM (#29203893)
I would not feel comfortable bicycling in Chinese "bike lanes", they are basically just separate lanes for the mopeds.
Re:Show HN: Long Range E-Bike by seanmcdirmid on Friday November 12, 2021 @03:13PM (#29204007)
In China, the rich drive while the poor make do with e-bikes. Yes, you wouldn't feel comfortable in those lanes, but people still need to live.
Re:Show HN: Long Range E-Bike by whimsicalism on Friday November 12, 2021 @03:20PM (#29204073)
Oh I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing at all - just that it is definitely not the case that you can comfortably comingle normal bikes with those lanes.
Re:Show HN: Long Range E-Bike by seanmcdirmid on Friday November 12, 2021 @06:53PM (#29205911)
There aren't many normal bikes left, or rather, they are becoming a luxury.
Re:Show HN: Long Range E-Bike by whimsicalism on Friday November 12, 2021 @07:13PM (#29206073)
That was not my experience in Beijing in January 2020, but I have not been since.
Re:Show HN: Long Range E-Bike by seanmcdirmid on Saturday November 13, 2021 @11:26AM (#29210920)
I lived in Beijing from 2007 to 2016. Commuters has mostly moved over to electric bikes, heck that trend was starting in 2002. Anyways, peddle bikes were most students who needed the, for on campus transportation. But if you spend any time on the commuter bike lanes around the city, it’s 80% electric.

This is a huge change from my first trip in 1999, when you had huge rivers of bike traffic, and gas powered non-car vehicles required special circumstances (a lot of the gas powered rickshaw drivers were ex military or handicapped). Because most Beijingers were never allowed to move to gas, they embraced electric pretty quickly.

Re:Show HN: Long Range E-Bike by whimsicalism on Saturday November 13, 2021 @11:55AM (#29211196)
There are plenty of rideshare bikes scattered throughout Beijing, although many seem to be either unused or broken.
Re:Show HN: Long Range E-Bike by seanmcdirmid on Sunday November 14, 2021 @11:15PM (#29223618)
Those are now mostly E-bikes, though (as far as I can tell in Chaoyang, at least).