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Re:Google loses challenge against EU antitrust ruling, $2.8B... by notyourwork on Wednesday November 10, 2021 @10:46AM (#29175941)
> the fine must be more costly than the benefit of the anti-competitive behavior in order to be effective.

That might be up for debate. According to Google Finance [1] Alphabet received income of $18.94B in September! So the fine is 15% of ONE quarter of their income.

I don't think that is sufficient and qualifies to more like a slap on the wrist.

[1] https://www.google.com/search?q=alphabet+revenue

edit: I should have said quarter, not month. Revised, sorry for the confusion.

Re:Google loses challenge against EU antitrust ruling, $2.8B... by nwellnhof on Wednesday November 10, 2021 @10:57AM (#29176116)
The $18.94B number is net income in Q3 2021, not in a single month.
Re:Google loses challenge against EU antitrust ruling, $2.8B... by stjohnswarts on Wednesday November 10, 2021 @05:03PM (#29181538)
$18.94 billion would have been a more acceptable amount to fine them. You have to make these companies really hurt in order to get their attention.
Re:Google loses challenge against EU antitrust ruling, $2.8B... by badRNG on Wednesday November 10, 2021 @10:53AM (#29176043)
So, is the thought that the net benefit of Google's anti-competitive behavior related to comparison shopping services in Europe alone is greater than 1% of Alphabets total income over a calendar year?
Re:Google loses challenge against EU antitrust ruling, $2.8B... by claudiulodro on Wednesday November 10, 2021 @10:58AM (#29176124)
No, otherwise the fine would simply be a cost of doing business, and there would still be a positive ROI for Google on the behavior that got them in trouble. The fine needs to be greater than the revenue generated by anti-competitive behavior.
Re:Google loses challenge against EU antitrust ruling, $2.8B... by matheusmoreira on Wednesday November 10, 2021 @11:50AM (#29176898)
A truly fair punishment would require identifying when the unlawful behavior started, calculating all profits derived from it, taking it away and only then fining them.

Making unlawful business decisions shouldn't be a calculated power move for them. It should put them in a worse position than they started. Like a chess game that gets rewound all the way back to the last legal move, but it costs them a rook or queen as well for the trouble they caused.

Re:Google loses challenge against EU antitrust ruling, $2.8B... by 93po on Wednesday November 10, 2021 @02:05PM (#29178989)
A truly fair punishment would be people going to jail (or the threat of it), like is the case for virtually any other crime. This shit isn't going to stop unless people refuse to do it because of the risk of jail.
Re:Google loses challenge against EU antitrust ruling, $2.8B... by rebuilder on Wednesday November 10, 2021 @03:30PM (#29180277)
Setting aside the whole “fair” issue, I suspect Alphabet could convince a lot of execs to risk going to jail for a lot less than the fine levied here.

Corporations don’t go to jail.

Re:Google loses challenge against EU antitrust ruling, $2.8B... by krzyk on Wednesday November 10, 2021 @04:46PM (#29181360)
But if by being an employee of such corporation you would have possibility of going to jail, there would be not that many candidates.
Re:Google loses challenge against EU antitrust ruling, $2.8B... by sushid on Wednesday November 10, 2021 @07:22PM (#29182849)
Then there's no incentive to perform lawful behavior.

Assuming < 100% chance of getting caught for an unlawful behavior, you're incentivizing unlawful behavior if the downside is essentially capped at $0.

Re:Google loses challenge against EU antitrust ruling, $2.8B... by NineStarPoint on Wednesday November 10, 2021 @01:14PM (#29178114)
Alphabet as a whole yes, but the question I think is how much they made from Google Shopping specifically. If the fine was greater than amount of money they made with what they were getting fined about (multiplied by the chance of getting caught, probably higher for google than most), then they EU would successfully discourage similar rule breaking in the future. While alphabet's total income for the year may be that high, most of that comes from ads and not shopping, and penalizing just the shopping related income makes sense in that light.

The alternative argument is that what you really want a fine to do is penalize law-infringing heavily enough that a companies' shareholders make not getting fined again high priority. In that light, you're primarily concerned about levying fines against a company's profit margin/funds they're using to invest in future growth. In which case, yeah, this fine is far too paltry to concern investors in a vacuum.

Re:Google loses challenge against EU antitrust ruling, $2.8B... by notyourwork on Wednesday November 10, 2021 @06:31PM (#29182422)
I disagree. If you use just the percentage from one line of business, this gives the bigger players ability to become bullies when entering new business segments. Google has hundreds of billions of cash on hand, so they can encroach on any new business they want with below board tactics and the fine is based on only percentage of revenue that comes from that new line of business would under penalize them.
Re:Google loses challenge against EU antitrust ruling, $2.8B... by ojbyrne on Wednesday November 10, 2021 @10:54AM (#29176073)
Minor quibble, but that link says “Quarterly Financials.” So $6.31 billion a month.
Re:Google loses challenge against EU antitrust ruling, $2.8B... by notyourwork on Wednesday November 10, 2021 @11:08AM (#29176276)
Thanks, I edited to correct this mistake.
Re:Google loses challenge against EU antitrust ruling, $2.8B... by sam0x17 on Wednesday November 10, 2021 @11:24AM (#29176500)
That said, someone's OKR in legal just got tanked haha