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Re:The Melancholy of Subculture Society (2019) by Calavar on Sunday November 07, 2021 @08:43PM (#29145399)
> The law in America forbids a foreign-born citizen from being president.

This is incorrect. John McCain was born in a foreign country, but he was born to American citizen parents, which made him natural born anyway. Someone who was born to noncitizen parents, but born within the geographical US would also be considered natural born. The US definition of "natural born citizen" is a lot more flexible than what most countries will allow even for naturalized citizens.

Re:The Melancholy of Subculture Society (2019) by ghaff on Sunday November 07, 2021 @09:00PM (#29145491)
Which was a mildly interesting law review topic pulling in various aspects of English common law and practices--although, had it became relevant, there is little doubt that "McCain isn't natural born" would have been widely seen as a fringe position.
Re:The Melancholy of Subculture Society (2019) by bobthepanda on Sunday November 07, 2021 @11:54PM (#29146218)
The Panama Canal Zone was under US administration when McCain was born, and he was on a US Naval base, so in some sense he was in US territory.

The more interesting story is that of Ted Cruz, who had a noncitizen father and was born in Canada.

Re:The Melancholy of Subculture Society (2019) by ghaff on Monday November 08, 2021 @12:30AM (#29146345)
"In some sense" is what gets interesting :-) But I agree that both fall into an interesting (if probably not ultimately very important) area of ambiguity in US constitutional law and common law.
Re:The Melancholy of Subculture Society (2019) by mellavora on Monday November 08, 2021 @03:47AM (#29147309)
Not so ambiguous. Born on a US military base counts as US soil.
Re:The Melancholy of Subculture Society (2019) by ghaff on Monday November 08, 2021 @11:12AM (#29150740)
No it is not:

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/records-and-authe...

The arguments as I recall were basically two-fold: 1.) At the time, it was the Canal Zone (which wasn't quite US soil but maybe close enough) and 2.) There were some long-standing common law precedents related to agents of the king, diplomats, etc.

Re:The Melancholy of Subculture Society (2019) by jandrewrogers on Monday November 08, 2021 @12:49AM (#29146419)
US law has traditionally held that if both parents are US citizens then the child is a natural-born US citizen regardless of where in the world they are born. This was specifically in support of diplomats, military, etc. I am not aware of a context in which this wasn’t true.

The only complicated area in law is when only a single parent is a US citizen and the child is born overseas. This was a consequence of the 20th century reality that the US had vast numbers of military personnel stationed globally.

Re:The Melancholy of Subculture Society (2019) by coolgeek on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @03:26PM (#29166996)
If either of your biological parents is an American citizen, you are automatically a natural born American citizen, regardless of where geographically you are born.

This is why Obama, McCain and Ted Cruz are eligible for the Presidency

edit: doh. Forgot that Obama was born in Hawaii