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Re:Stop Making Students Use Eclipse (2020) by devwastaken on Sunday November 07, 2021 @01:33AM (#29137068)
Eclipse is poor tooling for teaching. Far too many buttons and noise that gets in the way. But the opposite, programming with no debugger and no linter is just as bad. It punishes you for getting the smallest syntax mistakes by waiting for the compiler and reading out erroneous messages.

A debugger makes it far better to understand the execution of code line by line, and should be standard in education, but it's not.

I feel that visual studio code, with some modifications, would be perfect to begin with. Then when building things at a higher level, introduce why to use eclipse, like how it handles packages, etc.

Re:Stop Making Students Use Eclipse (2020) by userbinator on Sunday November 07, 2021 @04:25AM (#29137778)
A debugger makes it far better to understand the execution of code line by line, and should be standard in education, but it's not

In practice, from what I've seen teaching programming (not using Eclipse nor Java), this tends to cause "debugging tunnel-vision" instead, where someone will just keep stepping through code that has a problem, and not even know what happened until the wrong result was seen.

Re:Stop Making Students Use Eclipse (2020) by bodhiandphysics on Sunday November 07, 2021 @01:39AM (#29137103)
To be fair I’m taking an assembly course right now, a massive component of which is learning (command line!) gcc...
Re:Stop Making Students Use Eclipse (2020) by cerved on Sunday November 07, 2021 @05:08AM (#29138010)
Literally the second paragraph is about an alternative Java IDE suitable for teaching introductory programming
Re:Stop Making Students Use Eclipse (2020) by convolutionart on Sunday November 07, 2021 @06:27PM (#29144599)
What kind of modifications?