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Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by seibelj on Sunday November 07, 2021 @12:15AM (#29136512)
It will all sort itself out. If you can’t hire employees at a certain wage then either wages increase or the job changes. There is no other option. The “job changing” could also be changes to make it more palatable.
Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by ghaff on Sunday November 07, 2021 @12:20AM (#29136540)
Or you change your product/market in a way that is more tolerant of higher wages even if it changes your target customer in a way that excludes a segment of your previous market.
Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by seibelj on Sunday November 07, 2021 @12:25AM (#29136568)
You can increase the price of your product. This is what’s happening throughout the entire economy - workers demand more money, wages go up, prices increase, inflation hits 5%. It’s not surprising.
Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by ghaff on Sunday November 07, 2021 @12:36AM (#29136612)
Maybe. It depends if the wage increases are going to the buyers of your product or not. If the wage increases are indeed flowing to low-paid fast food workers and others in the same general category who eat a lot of fast food, then you can probably just increase the price of Quarter Pounders. If someone who doesn't eat Quarter Pounders is getting the money, not so much.
Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by HarryHirsch on Sunday November 07, 2021 @07:40AM (#29138958)
The obvious other adjustment would be to decrease the rent, but that would affect loan valuations, and we can't have another round of bank failures.

(The other problem is the building materials shortage because you can't inflate yourself out of the shortage of available housing, you need to actually build new construction, but we are getting sidetracked.)

Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by alphabettsy on Sunday November 07, 2021 @12:42AM (#29136638)
Or this narrative is being used to drive price increases. McDonald’s increased their profits and increased their prices last I heard and one didn’t necessarily drive the other.
Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by WalterBright on Sunday November 07, 2021 @04:12AM (#29137717)
If they go up by the same percentage, it's running in place, not extra profits.
Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by alphabettsy on Sunday November 07, 2021 @01:01PM (#29141799)
It’s not the same.
Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by rackjack on Sunday November 07, 2021 @12:42AM (#29136637)
Isn't this inflation also caused by the Federal Reserve printing a lot more money?

edit: Wait the TREASURY prints money, not the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve just... greases the wheels of banks, I guess?

Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by jonny_eh on Sunday November 07, 2021 @01:57AM (#29136913)
Or we increase immigration to account for falling birthrates.
Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by inawarminister on Sunday November 07, 2021 @01:49AM (#29137142)
And increase the brain drain on the developing world, yay!
Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by AussieWog93 on Sunday November 07, 2021 @04:02AM (#29137655)
Brain Drain is just a theory, and a pretty contentious one at that. There's quite a bit of evidence to suggest that the positive effects of emigration can outweigh the negatives.
Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by rini17 on Sunday November 07, 2021 @04:09AM (#29137694)
Can you source any examples please?

What can outweigh intelligent people not improving life in home country but building career in 1st world?

Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by AussieWog93 on Sunday November 07, 2021 @04:48AM (#29137896)
>Can you source any examples please?

The Philippines is one that springs to mind.

They have a massive industry over there training up nurses with the explicit intention of sending them overseas. The net result of this is a top class health care system.

Cash remittances make up 10% of their GDP. This is in addition to a culture of overseas workers sending massive gift boxes back home once a year (often containing expensive things like smartphones and laptops for the younger generations' education).

Plus you have the soft power and less tangible benefits (cultural exchange, etc.)

The Government actually actively encourages people to emigrate, in fact, as it's a great way for the country to get ahead culturally and economically. They simply don't have the industry locally to support the high number of skilled and educated workers they produce.

>What can outweigh intelligent people not improving life in home country but building career in 1st world?

This statement carries with it a couple of assumptions:

- People in a corrupt society will work hard to get an education when it doesn't give them an opportunity to make a better life overseas.

- Educated people who remain in their corrupt, third-world countries of birth will have the opportunities to use their skills to improve their home country.

- People in poor, but non-corrupt and growing economies that have the opportunity to stay and improve things will instead leave.

I'm sure you can find multiple examples to shatter every one of those assumptions (Nigeria really sticks out for the second one).

Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by rini17 on Sunday November 07, 2021 @05:47AM (#29138216)
You actually confirmed my assumptions about self-perpetuating corruption. Tell me who is going to actually improve that if most people with necessary skills and mindset leave? Sending back money alone won't do it. These people may personally have worse life if they stayed, not denying that. But what about global view? First world will eventually have to deal with resulting political turmoil.
Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by AussieWog93 on Sunday November 07, 2021 @07:52AM (#29139033)
>Tell me who is going to actually improve that if most people with necessary skills and mindset leave? Sending back money alone won't do it.

You're ignoring the WhatsApp factor. Immigrants experience first hand how well Western democracy works and then share that with everybody back home.

It's also quite common, at least in my experience, for people to follow politics back home. Invariably, they advocate quite vocally for more democracy, less corruption and less discrimination.

Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by rini17 on Sunday November 07, 2021 @03:56PM (#29143442)
Whatsapp is not enough! Some of them need to stay there and actually get elected. Democracy needs not only advocacy but also competent politicians, and that's a rare talent. Probably there are enough of them in your country so you can't even imagine that as a requirement. Count yourself lucky.
Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by lotsofpulp on Sunday November 07, 2021 @06:15AM (#29138388)
So the children born in developed countries (who got developed on the backs of undeveloped countries) are entitled to living better lives than children born in undeveloped countries, who should not have the opportunity to move out to developed countries?
Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by rightbyte on Sunday November 07, 2021 @06:44AM (#29138606)
Most developed countries were not colonial powers. How did e.g. South Korea and Finland become "developed" on the backs of the third world?
Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by lotsofpulp on Sunday November 07, 2021 @06:56AM (#29138688)
Look at it by population. US/UK/EU/Can/Aus, the more popular immigration destinations.
Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by AussieWog93 on Sunday November 07, 2021 @07:56AM (#29139059)
If providing a decent life to a hard working, aspirational individual whose work ethic and talent would have been pissed up the wall back at home counts as "developing off the back" of poorer nations, then I don't really see it as a bad thing at all.

Don't forget that many developing countries have a wide array of policies in place to ensure that they can't make proper use of their human capital.

My father-in-law, for example, is an environmental scientist who simply couldn't find work in his field (public sector) back in South Africa in the early 00s as there were racial quotas and affirmative action policies that didn't work in his favour.

He was offered a job in NZ, after a solid year of being unemployed, and jumped ship immediately. His talent wasn't stolen by the developed world so much as it wasted by his underdeveloped home.

Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by lotsofpulp on Sunday November 07, 2021 @08:09AM (#29139163)
I was referring to the era when resources were extracted to developed countries or labor (slaves) were moved around as needed to developing countries as “developing of the back” of poorer countries.

We are saying the same thing.

Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by dukeyukey on Sunday November 07, 2021 @04:54AM (#29137933)
Intelligent people moving abroad, making bank, and sending home a sizeable portion of their cash back home to support their family and used to build their home country's capital stocks.
Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by int_19h on Sunday November 07, 2021 @05:18PM (#29144068)
It's individual persons in the developing world that make the choice to move or not. Why are you so keen to build barriers to prevent them from making that choice?
Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by LogonType10 on Sunday November 07, 2021 @01:08AM (#29136966)
Please tell us what the "correct" birthrate is.
Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by wayanon on Sunday November 07, 2021 @01:19AM (#29137015)
I think something like 2.1 births per woman for a stable population not incl migration in/out. In the U.K. it’s 1.65 but I’m not too bothered.
Re:The fast-food workers’ season of rebellion by LogonType10 on Sunday November 07, 2021 @02:24AM (#29137273)
Do we want to have the same population forever? We're running out of drinking water.