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Re:Some new BMWs won't have touchscreens thanks to chip shor... by chrisseaton on Saturday November 06, 2021 @10:34AM (#29130509)
No mirror lets you see right behind the back bumper. It’s dangerous.
Re:Some new BMWs won't have touchscreens thanks to chip shor... by grp000 on Saturday November 06, 2021 @10:46AM (#29130605)
I don't really remember it being an endemic issue of people getting run over by backing up cars that had that small blindspot. Could have been an issue of unattended children/pets or tall car/short people, but I think it was more a big convenience boost.
Re:Some new BMWs won't have touchscreens thanks to chip shor... by chrisseaton on Saturday November 06, 2021 @10:47AM (#29130612)
> but I think it was more a big convenience boost

They don't make laws to force cars to add features for convenience.

Re:Some new BMWs won't have touchscreens thanks to chip shor... by dafoex on Saturday November 06, 2021 @11:04AM (#29130803)
Laws in what country?
Re:Some new BMWs won't have touchscreens thanks to chip shor... by chrisseaton on Saturday November 06, 2021 @11:05AM (#29130814)
The backup camera? At least the EU and the US.
Re:Some new BMWs won't have touchscreens thanks to chip shor... by dafoex on Saturday November 06, 2021 @11:16AM (#29130909)
I guess Skoda was breaking the law when they made the citigo. That didn't even have radar reversing sensors as standard.
Re:Some new BMWs won't have touchscreens thanks to chip shor... by chrisseaton on Saturday November 06, 2021 @11:17AM (#29130916)
Did it come out before the end of 2021? I'm guessing yes. That's when the EU law comes into effect.
Re:Some new BMWs won't have touchscreens thanks to chip shor... by dafoex on Saturday November 06, 2021 @11:20AM (#29130952)
Oh, so this law isn't even in force yet? No wonder I'm not aware of it.
Re:Some new BMWs won't have touchscreens thanks to chip shor... by grp000 on Saturday November 06, 2021 @11:05AM (#29130816)
Most people are idiots/lazy, and I say that on both sides (walkers and drivers). I see it more as making a robust solution a law, but doesn't necessarily benefit me to the extent that I want a mandated backup in my car personally.
Re:Some new BMWs won't have touchscreens thanks to chip shor... by Pyramus on Saturday November 06, 2021 @10:52AM (#29130659)
That's a false equivalence - just because it's not an 'endemic' issue doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed. I don't see why things getting run over by cars (think of immovable things as well) shouldn't be fixed?
Re:Some new BMWs won't have touchscreens thanks to chip shor... by throwaway0a5e on Saturday November 06, 2021 @09:06PM (#29135468)
The stats are clear. Back-over accidents are directly correlated with a) large vehicles and b) the high belt-lines and "as close to a truss as we can get away with" body lines that make modern vehicles "safer".
Re:Some new BMWs won't have touchscreens thanks to chip shor... by dreamcompiler on Saturday November 06, 2021 @10:42AM (#29130561)
And yet drivers managed to (mostly) not back into kids for over 100 years, without rear cameras. You walk around the car before you throw it into reverse. The screens fix the "mostly" problem, but they're not a substitute for driving skill.
Re:Some new BMWs won't have touchscreens thanks to chip shor... by chrisseaton on Saturday November 06, 2021 @10:43AM (#29130581)
> managed to (mostly) not back into kids for over 100 years, without rear cameras

They reckon the mandatory backup camera law saves 95 lives a year.

Re:Some new BMWs won't have touchscreens thanks to chip shor... by dafoex on Saturday November 06, 2021 @11:02AM (#29130781)
Getting out of the car would save 95 lives, too
Re:Some new BMWs won't have touchscreens thanks to chip shor... by chrisseaton on Saturday November 06, 2021 @11:04AM (#29130802)
> Getting out of the car

Some cars do have remote-control drive features these days, so you can reverse it from outside the car, but that's a super high-end feature (designed for getting in to and out of extremely tight city parking spaces) and relies on the chips that are in shortage, so that's not a solution.

Re:Some new BMWs won't have touchscreens thanks to chip shor... by dafoex on Saturday November 06, 2021 @11:14AM (#29130891)
We are but muggles, so I don't think we need to worry about teleporting children appearing in the time it takes you to get back in the car. You know your blind spot is clear and can see where your future blind spot is now.
Re:Some new BMWs won't have touchscreens thanks to chip shor... by chrisseaton on Saturday November 06, 2021 @11:22AM (#29130971)
This is like arguing against seat-belts because you think you can brace yourself sufficiently.
Re:Some new BMWs won't have touchscreens thanks to chip shor... by throwaway0a5e on Saturday November 06, 2021 @09:08PM (#29135477)
Seat-belts are have basically no downsides. Backup cameras trade back over accidents for accidents involving cross traffic.
Re:Some new BMWs won't have touchscreens thanks to chip shor... by nzmsv on Saturday November 06, 2021 @05:34PM (#29134003)
Kids also used to stand in the back while being driven around. I certainly did. Not only were there no car seats, there weren't even seatbelts in the back. Putting kids and their toys in the back of a station wagon for a road trip used to be a thing. Everyone mostly made it out alive, and yet we still have laws against all of the above now, everywhere in the world.