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Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by Tichy on Monday August 22, 2011 @11:33AM (#2912778)
Revealing user names (As in "you are trying to log in as Luke") is usually considered a security issue, though.
Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by phlamb on Monday August 22, 2011 @12:03PM (#2912890)
This was my first thought as well. I thought it was bad when it just verified that you had used a correct username after attempting to log in, then I kept reading and saw the auto-complete combobox of usernames...
Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by trafficlight on Monday August 22, 2011 @01:03PM (#2913140)
That combobox was baffling.
Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by pbreit on Monday August 22, 2011 @01:13PM (#2913183)
My first thought was: what about duplicate names?
Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by trafficlight on Monday August 22, 2011 @02:45PM (#2913556)
Then it just gives you the available passwords as well. You select the right combination. Easy peasy.
Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by dunham on Monday August 22, 2011 @01:01PM (#2913132)
I believe revealing whether or not an email address has an account is also considered a security issue.
Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by pornel on Monday August 22, 2011 @06:47PM (#2914477)
Validation on registration form reveals this already.
Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by subsection1h on Monday August 22, 2011 @06:57PM (#2914512)
Well-designed registration forms should not reveal this. Our registration forms provide the error "Email address or password is incorrect. Please try again." Further, forgotten password forms, etc. should also not reveal this.
Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by huhtenberg on Monday August 22, 2011 @08:04PM (#2914719)
Pssst... the registration form, not the login form. As in sorry, we cannot create you an account as your selected username has already been taken.
Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by itsnotvalid on Tuesday August 23, 2011 @05:33AM (#2915962)
as a matter of fact, they don't strictly tell you who the person is with an email address... they just tell you that the email address is taken.
Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by olefoo on Monday August 22, 2011 @02:57PM (#2913618)
Yes, and in this case the designer made a (hopefully conscious) decision that usability was more important to the user than the information that an attacker would gain. These sorts of decisions are the hard part of building web applications; there's no right answer applicable to all situations, you have to use judgment and experience to gauge how to balance the competing needs of your users and your business.
Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by danellis on Monday August 22, 2011 @01:32PM (#2913256)
Probably doesn't make much of a difference on those sites that have public profiles, though. They typically have the username in the URL anyway.
Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by snorkel on Monday August 22, 2011 @02:52PM (#2913597)
... and not to mention a user privacy violation.
Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by huhtenberg on Monday August 22, 2011 @08:05PM (#2914724)
How so? Please do elaborate.

(edit) In a context of a system that allows anyone to register new account, which appears to be what the linked article focuses on.

Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by Tichy on Tuesday August 23, 2011 @04:44AM (#2915871)
It's probably a minor issue, but if you can check for existing user names, you have a much easier time trying to find the matching password. Also, it could be a privacy issue (knowing user x is a customer of service y). Showing a photo as well...

Of course it depends on the context. On Hacker News all user names are visible anyway.

Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by typicalrunt on Monday August 22, 2011 @12:42PM (#2913041)
So for the Quora login form that determines whether someone's email address has already registered on the system... What's to stop me from: - looking at the source code, - finding the JavaScript call to the REST service that checks for an account - writing a script to loop through all well-known domains and usernames?

Tada! Instant email scraping tool.

Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by typicalrunt on Monday August 22, 2011 @12:46PM (#2913060)
Actually, I re-read the article just to make sure that I wasn't being too critical. I'm not. The author doesn't mention any security risks/benefits associated with the new login form designs.

It reminds me of the time when a former boss asked me to add authentication onto the company intranet. She wanted to know who is logging in and viewing private documents, but she didn't like typing in or remembering passwords so I could only ask users for their username and "trust" that they wouldn't type in someone else's username instead. For some (probably most) users, security isn't on the forefront of their mind, so they need to be reminded of it.

Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by yesimahuman on Monday August 22, 2011 @12:42PM (#2913046)
Here is another one I've experimented with: No passwords. You get a login key in the first email we send, or you can request a new email to log in.

Your email is the weakest link in a lot of password-based schemes anyways, but this approach is less secure and a bit confusing.

Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by pagekalisedown on Monday August 22, 2011 @05:28PM (#2914206)
This is a great idea, but is it hard to implement with non-technical users?
Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by yesimahuman on Monday August 22, 2011 @06:18PM (#2914375)
I would just say that people aren't used to it. Also you need to decide how you want to send the email. Once on signup (long-lived token, not recommended), once a day (weird, annoying), or on demand (user gets email instead of entering password).

I think it's interesting but in practice passwords are more secure and people are used to them.

Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by bitdiffusion on Monday August 22, 2011 @12:40PM (#2913028)
I was always under the impression that security trumps user-experience in the majority of cases - what happened to trying to prevent malicious users from harvesting user names by using captcha, non-specific error messages etc? Maybe I've had my head buried in the security game for too long...
Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by owenmarshall on Monday August 22, 2011 @01:25PM (#2913224)
Security should trump UX. In practice, though, UX almost always seems to trump security concerns.
Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by wpietri on Monday August 22, 2011 @06:53PM (#2914503)
> Security should trump UX.

In my view, security is just another part of the user experience. For one's bank, it's surely a large one. For most web services, though, it's pretty tiny. As a Quora user, I'm perfectly happy for them to increase usability substantially at the cost of a minor increase in risk.

Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by Silhouette on Monday August 22, 2011 @04:50PM (#2914057)
> Security should trump UX.

Yes and no. Of course security is important, but no realistic system is ever known to be completely secure, so it's always a cost/benefit question.

If you take security far enough that your system ceases to be useful, then UX certainly won't matter, because you won't have any users.

More commonly, if you make security checks too disruptive, it can be counter-productive because users will start to circumvent the system. Consider all the stories you've heard of someone changing their "updated monthly" password by just adding the next number on the end, or writing the PIN for their credit card on a bit of paper they keep in their wallet, or having a note of their network password taped inside their desk draw. Or just be the guy at Microsoft who invented UAC in Vista. ;-)

Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by ianhowlett on Monday August 22, 2011 @04:56PM (#2914080)
I wouldn’t be happy, as a user, if I saw that information like this was made public about me on a site.
Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by thatjoshguy on Monday August 22, 2011 @12:14PM (#2912932)
If you mistype your email address in Facebook, it will suggest your correct account on login fail. I'm not sure if it just does this blindly, or if it tracks where you are logging in from.
Re:New Approaches To Designing Log-In Forms by lambada on Monday August 22, 2011 @11:54AM (#2912859)
Didn't Facebook get bad press a while ago for revealing the user's name and profile picture when an incorrect password was entered?