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Re:The promise and paradox of decentralization by jayd16 on Friday November 05, 2021 @03:57PM (#29124067)
I'm with you except on the argument that decentralized reputation systems are easy to game. Isn't ssl and therefore most internet security based around decentralized reputation through cert validation?
Re:The promise and paradox of decentralization by nonameiguess on Friday November 05, 2021 @04:05PM (#29124139)
Mozilla's latest bundle has 148 root CAs in it: https://ccadb-public.secure.force.com/mozilla/IncludedCACert...

So "decentralized" in the sense that there are more than one, but it's not some hierarchy-less free for all where anyone can attest to their own identity and trustworthiness and the network just automatically accepts that.

Re:The promise and paradox of decentralization by jayd16 on Friday November 05, 2021 @04:11PM (#29124218)
Sure it is. You can easily create your own root CA and have others trust it.

I don't really understand the complaint because you literally can attest to your own trustworthiness through your own cert.

Having others trust you is a taller order. Obviously that isn't automatic.

Re:The promise and paradox of decentralization by lbotos on Friday November 05, 2021 @04:04PM (#29124131)
> decentralized reputation through cert validation?

Certs are pretty dang centralized.

Also, Your second sentence needs a bit more fleshing out because it doesn't follow.

Re:The promise and paradox of decentralization by jayd16 on Friday November 05, 2021 @04:07PM (#29124168)
Certs are certainly decentralized. You can create your own root, share them, etc. There a several highly trusted roots that are chosen by OS makers, not centralized. Some roots are quite big but what part is centralized?

Chain of trust is a decentralized reputation protocol and we use it frequently and effectively.

Re:The promise and paradox of decentralization by rhn_mk1 on Friday November 05, 2021 @05:04PM (#29124728)
While it's not strictly centralized, as in, there's no single root, the sets of root certs in usage are extremely similar. There are only a handful that matter, and they overlap significantly because they share choices: Windows, Android, Apple, Firefox, various Linux distros.

A contributing factor is that the culture that grew around them makes it uncommon to be able to manipulate your own certificates. If you set up a Web page with your own root cert, you can be sure it will never grow.