Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a barn burner

Re:Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a ... by formerly_proven on Thursday November 04, 2021 @02:04PM (#29110531)

He's not wrong per se though he's wrong in this case, because many tech reviewers were overly enthusiastic about Ryzen parts and acted as-if they're much better than their Intel counterparts because they performed better in various benchmarks and productivity applications; this is kind of a meme in the gaming scene (where AMD's best CPUs generally still struggle with Intel's 10th gen offerings).

In tech your product has to be REALLY bad in order to receive critical reviews and manufacturers are basically smart enough to just not send these bad products to reviewers, so you basically get no or few reviews on them. Most reviewers are completely dependent on the manufacturers to give them stuff to review at no cost, and obviously when your reviews are too critical they're going to stop sending you stuff, which threatens the reviewer's business. There are very few reviewers who can do highly critical reviews, GamersNexus comes to mind. Notice how they're often not getting stuff from the manufacturer but buy it off the shelf instead.

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Re:Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a ... by GhettoComputers on Thursday November 04, 2021 @02:29PM (#29110814)

Lots of tech reviews will also not say anything bad, for instance anyone critial of Apple won't get access to their events, products, and will be blacklisted.

You can't trust these publications at all anymore.

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Re:Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a ... by tomnipotent on Thursday November 04, 2021 @05:41PM (#29112858)

Can you show me one that is critical and doesn't get access?

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Re:Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a ... by GhettoComputers on Thursday November 04, 2021 @06:20PM (#29113180)

https://techaeris.com/2015/01/29/have-i-been-blacklisted-by-...

https://www.cultofmac.com/255618/how-apples-blacklist-manipu...

> Yes, Apple maintains a press “blacklist,” a list of people in the media who are shunned and ignored — “punished,” as it were, for “disloyalty.”

>“Blacklisted” reporters, editorialists and media personalities are denied access to information, products and events.

>Once you’re on the list, it’s almost impossible to get off. (I’ve been on it for more than a decade.)

https://www.theregister.com/2016/09/07/reg_effort_to_attend_...

> It's been a number of years since an Apple PR staffer secretly admitted to one of our reporters that The Register was on a blacklist.

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Re:Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a ... by rsj_hn on Thursday November 04, 2021 @06:26PM (#29113232)

Dude, it's a company that makes consumer goods. It's not the government refusing to credential a reporter.

If you are actually an objective news company trying to evaluate a product, then do what Consumer Reports does and go to the open market and buy the generally available product for the full retail price, and then evaluate it. That is a requirement to be an honest broker not influenced by a vendor, which is why Consumer Reports does it. So make up your mind as to whether you want to be a journalist that is independent or whether you are willing to compromise and do P.R. work for apple in exchange for early access.

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Re:Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a ... by GhettoComputers on Thursday November 04, 2021 @06:32PM (#29113284)

You asked me for journalists that are critical and didn’t get access and I showed you. What’s your point in justifying exactly what I proved?

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Re:Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a ... by rsj_hn on Thursday November 04, 2021 @06:39PM (#29113333)

Perhaps you are confusing me with another poster?

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Re:Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a ... by nyxaiur on Thursday November 04, 2021 @06:01PM (#29113028)

This is just a list of issues and articles that came to my mind. Every of these sites also criticized the thermal of the last intel macbook pros and all hated the touchbar and all of them are still reporting on apple on exactly the day the embargo lifts. wtf are YOU on about?

Macbook Keyboard Issues: 21x Apple critical articles on the verge https://www.theverge.com/search?q=keyboard+macbook 10x Apple critical articles on ifixit https://www.ifixit.com/Search?doctype=news&query=macbook%20k... 5x Apple critical articles on engadget https://search.engadget.com/search;_ylc=X3IDMgRncHJpZAN0NEMu...

iPad Jelly Scrolling: 12x Apple critical articles on the verge https://www.theverge.com/search?q=jelly+scrolling+apple 1x Apple critical articles on ifixit https://www.ifixit.com/Search?doctype=news&query=jelly%20scr... 4x Apple critical articles on engadget https://search.engadget.com/search;_ylt=AwrJ7FcGV4Rh6okADpZ8...

Mini LED Blooming: 4x Apple critical articles on the verge https://www.theverge.com/search?q=apple+blooming 3x Apple critical articles on ifixit https://www.ifixit.com/Search?doctype=news&query=blooming%20... 6x Apple critical articles on engadget https://search.engadget.com/search;_ylt=A0geKJBBV4RhUYAANg58...

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Re:Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a ... by GhettoComputers on Thursday November 04, 2021 @06:25PM (#29113223)

iFixit doesn’t get access to Apple hardware.

What you’re linking to proves the opposite of critical articles. Let’s show some titles you linked.

> The saga of Apple's bad butterfly MacBook keyboards is finally over

>iPad mini review (2021): The best small tablet gets a facelift

>Will Apple’s Mini LED MacBook Pros avoid the iPad Pro’s downsides?

>Apple says the iPad mini's 'jelly scrolling' problem is normal

So where are these critial articles?

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Re:Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a ... by nyxaiur on Thursday November 04, 2021 @06:57PM (#29113467)

If you don't cherry pick there are enough critical articles and critical comments in every review (You said there aren't in your first comment.

You are totally right they must have a giant blacklist if blacklisting is for you not to send demo units of unreleased products to every outlet. THE BLACKLIST IS GIGANTIC DUDE.

If you ever look for help call here The National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI): 1-800-950-6264

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Re:Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a ... by dang on Friday November 05, 2021 @04:31PM (#29124411)

We've banned this account for breaking the site guidelines egregiously and repeatedly. You can't do that here, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are.

If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email [email protected] and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

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Re:Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a ... by jackorange on Thursday November 04, 2021 @07:23PM (#29113670)

Your comment is not in the spirit of HN and I hope it is deleted. You are asserting someone has mental illness just because they are claiming something which is well known.

Gamers nexus, which is a top reviewer, have mentioned they dont get some products due to their critical take. It's not an unreasonable or outlandish view at all. Its ridiculous to be so aggressive against another person just to protect a brand. Do you perhaps work for or have shares in Apple? I cannot fathom why someone would be so desperate to protect the image of a billion dollar company otherwise.

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Re:Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a ... by nyxaiur on Thursday November 04, 2021 @08:12PM (#29114010)

No one is entitled to get early access to non released hardware. The outlets that do get access usually sign NDAs and they are not allowed to take demo units apart and you know what GAMERNEXUS also says in their videos that they don't sign these NDAs. If he had the chance to sign it it seems he decided to not do it not the other way around. The spirit of HN was that it's usually pretty good moderated against trolls and flamebaits like the guy above.

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Re:Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a ... by dang on Friday November 05, 2021 @04:32PM (#29124426)

You also broke the site guidelines egregiously, and you've posted flamewar comments before this too. I'm not going to ban you right now because you've also posted good things, but if you continue to break the site guidelines, we will ban you. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here.

That means thoughtful, substantive comments, curious conversation, and respect towards other commenters, no matter how wrong they are or you feel they are.

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Re:Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a ... by merb on Thursday November 04, 2021 @08:53PM (#29114266)

actually you are either wrong or didn't even watched gamersnexus. because they rated the 5600x amd as one of the best gaming cpu for a long time.

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Re:Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a ... by nyxaiur on Thursday November 04, 2021 @02:30PM (#29110839)

On pure performance metrics Intel will be the winner every cycle they bring one "enthusiast" CPU that tops the benchmark in gaming or creator CPU loads. they are expensive they are power hogs but they are the fastest. I don't get why you are so adjetated by it.

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Re:Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a ... by GhettoComputers on Thursday November 04, 2021 @02:48PM (#29111036)

>they are expensive they are power hogs but they are the fastest.

That is absolutely false and a lie for multicore processes, real world usage, and programs that I use. This is an enormous lie, unless your workload only consists of synthetic benchmarks that are Intel optimized and ignore the gains from other hardware like premium DDR5 they use to set these sythetic benchmarks.

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Re:Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a ... by nyxaiur on Thursday November 04, 2021 @03:58PM (#29111839)

As I said in my other comments you are delusional. have a good one. You see a conspiracy theory without proofing it and you disregard the facts from several high regarded sources like anandtech, phoronix and everyone who has published their benchmarks today. It's the literal definition of a delusion.

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Re:Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a ... by nyxaiur on Thursday November 04, 2021 @05:27PM (#29112745)

You think every benchmarking site, even the sites that use open source software to benchmark is getting payed by Intel? Phoronix and Anandtech have open benchmark suites you can go and check the results yourself. You are arguing that commercial benchmark providers, open source software developers, tech journalists and enthusiasts and hobbiest are in a conspiracy to favor Intel in performance benchmarks without providing a single source stating your acquisitions except yourself. Insane.

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Re:Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a ... by GhettoComputers on Thursday November 04, 2021 @05:36PM (#29112822)

Prove me wrong; you still can’t.

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Re:Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a ... by nyxaiur on Thursday November 04, 2021 @05:59PM (#29113012)

This is just a list of issues and articles that came to my mind. Every of these sites also criticized the thermal of the last intel macbook pros and all hated the touchbar and all of them are still reporting on apple on exactly the day the embargo lifts. wtf are YOU on about?

Macbook Keyboard Issues: 21x Apple critical articles on the verge https://www.theverge.com/search?q=keyboard+macbook 10x Apple critical articles on ifixit https://www.ifixit.com/Search?doctype=news&query=macbook%20k... 5x Apple critical articles on engadget https://search.engadget.com/search;_ylc=X3IDMgRncHJpZAN0NEMu...

iPad Jelly Scrolling: 12x Apple critical articles on the verge https://www.theverge.com/search?q=jelly+scrolling+apple 1x Apple critical articles on ifixit https://www.ifixit.com/Search?doctype=news&query=jelly%20scr... 4x Apple critical articles on engadget https://search.engadget.com/search;_ylt=AwrJ7FcGV4Rh6okADpZ8...

Mini LED Blooming: 4x Apple critical articles on the verge https://www.theverge.com/search?q=apple+blooming 3x Apple critical articles on ifixit https://www.ifixit.com/Search?doctype=news&query=blooming%20... 6x Apple critical articles on engadget https://search.engadget.com/search;_ylt=A0geKJBBV4RhUYAANg58...

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Re:Intel’s Alder Lake big.little CPU design, tested: it’s a ... by GhettoComputers on Thursday November 04, 2021 @06:28PM (#29113243)

Critical articles like “iPad mini review (2021): The best small tablet gets a facelift”? https://www.engadget.com/apple-ipad-mini-6th-generation-2021... You’re grasping at straws since ifixit doesn’t get Apple press invites, hardware and you linked to searches of Apple praise since you can’t find evidence to prove your point. Thanks you proved my point for me and linked to articles that prove I am right.

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