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Re:Our self imposed scarcity of nice places by jseban on Thursday November 04, 2021 @05:17AM (#29104928)
Haha carrying 20kg of stuff back home in bags, that's ridiculous! Yeah do that after a long day of work, and also you can forget ever having any energy left for doing any sport because now your only sport ever is carrying groceries. What a poor life
Re:Our self imposed scarcity of nice places by entropyie on Thursday November 04, 2021 @05:46AM (#29105129)
If you think this is strenuous and unreasonable for an able bodied person, then I think you need to level set with the rest of humanity. Also, just get a bike with a basket if you don't like carrying stuff. Personally I feel super stressed and mentally exhausted on the occasions I have to spend the afternoon urban driving... Give me the 20kg walk any day!
Re:Our self imposed scarcity of nice places by stavros on Thursday November 04, 2021 @05:19AM (#29104937)
This is the way I live, you think I've never shopped after work? If I couldn't carry 20kg for 200m, I'd have more of a problem with how I live than where.
Re:Our self imposed scarcity of nice places by matkoniecz on Thursday November 04, 2021 @05:30AM (#29105010)
If anyone seriously considers transporting 20kg for 200m "incredibly strenuous and unnecessarily hard way of life" then it is hard to treat them seriously.

Note that you can put it into backpack or use something like https://duckduckgo.com/?q=wozek+na+zakupy&t=ffab&iar=images&... (sorry, not sure how it is called in English).

PS Unless they have serious medical issues, far worse than typical. Or they are really old or really young. But in such cases they likely should not drive anyway.

Re:Our self imposed scarcity of nice places by crooked-v on Thursday November 04, 2021 @05:47AM (#29105137)
I think the most common way to call it would be "utility trolley" or "utility cart". Usually the ones you'll see in the U.S. are all metal and can fold up to make it easier to put them in car trunks or carry them on buses.
Re:Our self imposed scarcity of nice places by jseban on Thursday November 04, 2021 @05:27AM (#29104993)
Yes but it's an incredibly strenuous and unnecessarily hard way of life, if that's what you want, fine, but society at large has as a core value to eliminate unnecessary, hard, repetitive tasks so that's not going to be a good way to structure neighborhoods.
Re:Our self imposed scarcity of nice places by stavros on Thursday November 04, 2021 @05:29AM (#29105008)
I don't think we'll ever agree, because there seems to be a fundamental difference here. You speak as if I'm toiling in the mines all day, whereas I don't even think of it as particularly hard or annoying.
Re:Our self imposed scarcity of nice places by Damogran6 on Monday November 08, 2021 @04:50PM (#29154720)
I'm also noticing the absence of any 'average American' experiences in this thread...although COVID has disrupted average a little.
Re:Our self imposed scarcity of nice places by executesorder66 on Thursday November 04, 2021 @06:00AM (#29105208)
> Yes but it's an incredibly strenuous and unnecessarily hard way of life

What are you, a granny? It is not strenuous or difficult at all.

Re:Our self imposed scarcity of nice places by nivenkos on Thursday November 04, 2021 @06:14AM (#29105275)
I agree it's a hassle, but at least it does help provide some exercise.

It's no wonder the US has such a high obesity and diabetes rate, with a sedentary society like that.

Re:Our self imposed scarcity of nice places by matkoniecz on Thursday November 04, 2021 @05:28AM (#29105001)
20kg is quite on extreme side. Also, walking for 350m with 20kg of stuff is unlikely to be a problem unless you have massive health problems.

With something like https://duckduckgo.com/?q=wozek+na+zakupy&t=ffab&iar=images&... it is even simpler - my 80 years old grandmother is using it for shopping.

> your only sport ever is carrying groceries. What a poor life

Just how much stuff you buy? Maybe you live in awful city with shops more than 500m away from your home?

Re:Our self imposed scarcity of nice places by stephen_g on Thursday November 04, 2021 @06:04AM (#29105224)
Yeah, that’s a big part of it. If you have shops within walkable distance, you don’t need to carry huge amounts of groceries. You can just grab a few things to last you the next three days on your way past!
Re:Our self imposed scarcity of nice places by sammorrowdrums on Thursday November 04, 2021 @05:23AM (#29104971)
do you even lift?