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Re:Kazakhstan to restrict crypto miners amid power shortages by matheusmoreira on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @12:43PM (#29097094)
I wonder how much coal China burned to fabricate all the computers necessary for you to post this and for everyone else to read it.
Re:Kazakhstan to restrict crypto miners amid power shortages by politician on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @01:40PM (#29097937)
Looks like you're being downvoted by all of the people that refuse to own up to their own hypocrisy over this issue. You're exactly correct, of course. China manufactures the vast majority of this equipment, and China runs on coal.
Re:Kazakhstan to restrict crypto miners amid power shortages by oblio on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @01:48PM (#29098044)
It's not hypocrisy.

We need computers for a lot of solid, real life uses.

We don't need cryptocurrencies for almost anything being peddled. They're supposed to be decentralized, but you can't really use them that way in 99% of situations. They're supposed to be currencies and instead they're vehicles for speculation. Etc.

I think their slogan should be: "You don't really need cryptocurrencies for that".

Re:Kazakhstan to restrict crypto miners amid power shortages by politician on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @02:01PM (#29098233)
PoW crypocurrencies are global communications systems that offer nonrepudiation, instant settlement, and finality; a subset additionally offer privacy. It's valuable to people who need those guarantees. There are speculators in every market.
Re:Kazakhstan to restrict crypto miners amid power shortages by oblio on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @07:01PM (#29101615)
> There are speculators in every market.

For crypto speculation is <<the market>>.

Re:Kazakhstan to restrict crypto miners amid power shortages by u2c4m6 on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @05:38PM (#29100645)
What crypto currency offers privacy?
Re:Kazakhstan to restrict crypto miners amid power shortages by politician on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @08:07PM (#29102182)
Monero
Re:Kazakhstan to restrict crypto miners amid power shortages by matheusmoreira on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @02:03PM (#29098246)
I'll be the first to admit that bitcoin failed to achieve everything it was supposed to. However, criticizing cryptocurrency as a whole over energy usage of all things is hypocrisy. It's not even 1% of global energy consumption. The world is being destroyed, but not by this.
Re:Kazakhstan to restrict crypto miners amid power shortages by honkycat on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @02:17PM (#29098407)
0.55% of energy consumption[0] is not a trivial amount of energy.

0: https://hbr.org/2021/05/how-much-energy-does-bitcoin-actuall...

Re:Kazakhstan to restrict crypto miners amid power shortages by matheusmoreira on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @02:45PM (#29098728)
Yeah, but in the grand scheme of things it's nothing. A nuisance at best. If people really are worried about climate change, they need to stop trading with China, regulate big oil, invest in public infrastructure and transportation, heavily incentivize development and usage of clean energy sources, etc. Bitcoin is just a convenient distraction from the real problems. Regulating it will contribute virtually nothing to this cause.

At this point in time, there is no reason to care about this. Maybe we start caring if some insane development happens and BTC suddenly starts representing 10-20% of our energy consumption. Until then, there are bigger problems to worry about.

Re:Kazakhstan to restrict crypto miners amid power shortages by politician on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @03:17PM (#29099068)
Indeed. If folks weren't just virtue signaling about climate change, then we could get on with tiling a third of the State of New Mexico with solar panels to power the North American hemisphere.

We already have the technology and the land area.

Re:Kazakhstan to restrict crypto miners amid power shortages by politician on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @03:12PM (#29099007)
If that energy were produced by solar, then it would require 332 km^2 of 290W 60-cell solar panels which is roughly the size of downtown Austin, TX.

The ability to tile a land area the size of a smaller American city with relatively bad solar panels to power half a percent of the world's energy usage is pretty amazing.

Re:Kazakhstan to restrict crypto miners amid power shortages by AlexandrB on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @04:03PM (#29099592)
It's cliche at this point, but: https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/

I'm guessing since there are no hypocrites in crypto you are all using non-fiat "coins" to pay your bills and buy groceries, right?