Re:Investor-Owned Health Care: The Hidden Blight on America’...
by 0_____0 on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @08:42AM
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bit of a catch 22, USians are unhealthy in part because adequate healthcare is out of reach because of its cost
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Re:Investor-Owned Health Care: The Hidden Blight on America’...
by rubyist5eva on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @08:52AM
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No, Americans are unhealthy because the vast majority of them eat like crap, are lazy, and are fat as hell as a consequence. That's not a healthcare issue.
Re:Investor-Owned Health Care: The Hidden Blight on America’...
by trey-jones on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:08AM
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If more of our doctors cared about people more than money, and kept nutritionists on staff, it might make a dent in things. So I find that it is a healthcare issue. Here, on HN, and in the industries that many of us work in, we have a lot of knowledge and understanding about our own bodies and the care of them. But a large portion of the populace lack that! For some people, nutritional advice would fall on deaf ears, but there are some people as well who, if told by a true expert, "Here is a diet plan. If you follow it closely you won't be so out of breath when you go upstairs. Your ankles and knees won't hurt constantly. You'll be able to keep up with your grandkids better. You'll live longer (on average!)."
If told they would actually do it, and improvements would be made.
Re:Investor-Owned Health Care: The Hidden Blight on America’...
by kgin on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:15AM
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That might be one (fairly expensive) strategy to address it. But the rest of the world doesn’t avoid the US problem because they’re all seeing nutritionists all the time.
Re:Investor-Owned Health Care: The Hidden Blight on America’...
by infecto on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:18AM
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I won't argue that the US is at the top but there are many other developed countries following behind. I think education is definitely a part of it.
Re:Investor-Owned Health Care: The Hidden Blight on America’...
by trey-jones on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:16AM
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Much of the world is better educated in general. Much of the other ones don't have the problem/luxury of too much to eat.
Re:Investor-Owned Health Care: The Hidden Blight on America’...
by kgin on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:12AM
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Something started in the 70s and I’ve never seen a good explanation of what it was. But you can see in the stats that obesity hit an inflection point in the mid-1970s, started going up and has never looked back. Now we’re at 80% overweight and 40% obese and still rising.
Pinning it on willpower or individual choices seems way off base. Something system-wide happened here and it’s crazy that we don’t know what it is.
Re:Investor-Owned Health Care: The Hidden Blight on America’...
by rubyist5eva on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @12:12PM
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In the middle ages, only royalty and elites were fat because they were the only ones who had access to the abundance of food that made it possible. It was seen as a good thing to be fat. Hell, in today's society the "Health At Any Size" movement portrays morbid obesity as no big deal at best, and a good thing at worst.
> But you can see in the stats that obesity hit an inflection point in the mid-1970s
This is about where mass production of hyper-processed foods hit critical mass of cheapness and availability.
Americans have easier and cheaper access to nearly infinite amounts of food that middle age kings could only dream of.
Re:Investor-Owned Health Care: The Hidden Blight on America’...
by 0_____0 on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @12:30PM
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My bet is that a significant chunk of this is the push of populations out of cities and into car-focused suburbs. Matches up quite well timeline wise as second-order effect of the post-war suburban boom.
Re:Investor-Owned Health Care: The Hidden Blight on America’...
by infecto on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:14AM
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Comments like yours are just not helpful or productive. There are definitely lazy people all over the world but I think what you said is more of a symptom than a cause. When entire communities are generationally stuck in a trap of eating highly processed foods for how easy/cheap they are it can be difficult to escape. But of course it's a lot easier to go the uneducated simpleton route and just say they are lazy.
Re:Investor-Owned Health Care: The Hidden Blight on America’...
by rubyist5eva on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @12:08PM
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If you're 300+ lbs, you are lazy, period. Sugar coating it isn't doing anyone any favours.
Re:Investor-Owned Health Care: The Hidden Blight on America’...
by infecto on Thursday November 04, 2021 @12:29PM
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I am sorry for you.