So this has some obvious issues: * Areas without a ton of very similar houses that have also sold recently will basically have no 'comps' to use. * It's really easy to keep identifying differences (pros/cons) until the adjusted prices equal each other but it's hard to know if all of the meaningful differences have actually been identified. * It gives average homes and average buyers a huge advantage. This model assumes that the housing market is hot but not hot enough that someone will pay 10-15% more for some specific feature. Anything unique to a home/property is only going to be worth a fraction of the time & money it would cost to add. Anything super common (kitchen remodel, finished basement, etc.) can actually add 100% or more of it's cost to the houses value because the buyer is paying with 5x or more leverage so paying a bit extra to have it included. This is also why it's often better to fix a few things as the seller than give a discount on the sale price - the buyer will often pay a premium to get things move-in ready since it doesn't impact their monthly costs significantly.
Re:Zillow to stop flipping homes, loses more than $550M, lay...
by AareyBaba on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @06:12PM
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I suspect the 'AI software' running these companies is using linear regression to predict housing prices and one of the inputs is the price of similar houses nearby.
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Re:Zillow to stop flipping homes, loses more than $550M, lay...
by nitwit005 on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @07:09PM
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I recall in one of the previous crashes it turned out a firm had a model that couldn't handle homes going down in value. A linear model is superior to that.
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by jitl on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @07:09PM
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This is basically how human-lead appraisals work in most markets.
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by davnn on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @01:34AM
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There was a Kaggle Competition in case you missed it. At least here you can see what kind of features they are using and what models people employed. See https://www.kaggle.com/c/zillow-prize-1
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by xapata on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @01:54AM
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Zillow Offers team was isolated from the Zestimate team. They didn't share algorithms.
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by laminarflow on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @10:40AM
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AFAIK this is false; Offers began transacting at the Zestimate price in several markets earlier this year
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by xapata on Thursday November 04, 2021 @01:33AM
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Could be stale information. I talked to them a while back. Still, transacting at the Zestimate price doesn't mean they're privy to the Zestimate algorithms.
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by c141charlie on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @06:39PM
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What could possibly go wrong with that approach? :-)
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by SantalBlush on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @08:21PM
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In fairness, I would think humans include nearby home prices as one of their parameters as well.
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by KingMachiavelli on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @12:50AM
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Human/realtor appraisals are often very poor. They will take 3-4 nearby & similar homes and basically add/subtract the differences from the home they are comparing. Then they basically just average the adjusted sale prices. They might add a bit onto that price since prices go up over time.
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by LanceH on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @09:57PM
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A Broker Price Opinion (BPO) is typically set by appraisal, comparable sales and comparable listings. Depending on how cookie cutter the neighborhood is, there are many different levels of "appraisal" from drive by photos to a deep inspection.
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by devnull3 on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @10:44PM
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lol ... this infact is the sample problem which Andrew Ng explains in his famous Machine Learning course on Coursera!
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by hbarka on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @03:03AM
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Wait, can you elaborate? Iām sincerely interested in going over that material.
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by streetcat1 on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @07:21PM
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should move to xgboost.
Re:Zillow to stop flipping homes, loses more than $550M, lay...
by danrocks on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @09:38PM
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Maybe some reinforcement learning algorithm running as well, where the maximum reward is winning the bid. Hence the algorithm just goes and lays waste on other bidders. Gotta get that infinite reward!