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Re:Facebook Makes Us Know Too Much About Each Other by sumthinprofound on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @09:57AM (#29081287)
you can learn a lot about a person by sitting down and having a meal with them and miraculously alot of the online vitrol dissipates when you have a chance to see them as a full person.
Re:Facebook Makes Us Know Too Much About Each Other by andrew_ on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @01:00PM (#29084014)
A few years back I met a woman at a bar, flirted, got a number, and went on a date. About 30 minutes into the date she brought up politics, and was on the opposite side of the spectrum from myself. That didn't change that I thought she was funny and was interested enough to flirt and set up a date. We just mutually agreed that we had no business dating, had a laugh, and finished out the night together with the understanding that we could have a good time despite the differences that wouldn't allow for dating.

Online media attempt to amplify these differences to the point of rage because there's money it in.

Re:Facebook Makes Us Know Too Much About Each Other by hpoe on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @10:34AM (#29081863)
Interestingly enough that is what Daryl Davis decided to do to start fighting racism, got over a dozen members, including a grand wizard, to leave the Klan. I'd recommend watching his TedTalk it really helped me understand how to better work with others, and how to bring about understanding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORp3q1Oaezw

Re:Facebook Makes Us Know Too Much About Each Other by MattGaiser on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @10:38AM (#29081924)
Or are they just hiding it because social norms require that they do?

As we have pretty strong social expectations for how people behave at meals.

Re:Facebook Makes Us Know Too Much About Each Other by cnity on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @10:51AM (#29082122)
I don't mean this personally, but I'd like to dive into this take.

It is common these days for people to interpret the self-management people perform as a type of filtering (or "hiding" in your words). I find the cynicism in this viewpoint to be distasteful, when equally one could interpret the same behavior much more favorably.

When someone, for example, tidies their apartment because they anticipate a guest, they are engaging in exactly the same thing. But this is widely considered a good thing. The connections one anticipates have caused one to "brush up". The same thing is true for outspoken opinions. We aren't just "real" creatures with disgusting opinions walking around wearing "fake" masks to hide them.

The treatment of a person is different depending on which lens you opt for. On the one hand, you view society as a collection of people who ought to be unmasked, for their true identity to be uncovered and scorned appropriately. On the other, you view society as a collection of people with a fluid set of opinions that are molded by the company they are with. The unspoken idea becomes the forgotten, abandoned idea.

Re:Facebook Makes Us Know Too Much About Each Other by kenjackson on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @11:08AM (#29082377)
There's a huge difference between tidying an apartment and hiding your real opinion, especially when your real opinion fundamentally runs in opposition to my morals.

This is more like having kidnapped people in your house and hiding them so when someone comes over for dinner, no one can see them. I'm not morally opposed to a cluttered counter.

Re:Facebook Makes Us Know Too Much About Each Other by cnity on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @11:40AM (#29082889)
The key difference is that an opinion is something that can change. A kidnapping cannot be undone. In fact, you have highlighted exactly what I'm getting at. You can tidy a cluttered counter, and will do so if you think it beneficial for you socially. You cannot un-kidnap. Which scenario do you think maps better to an opinion?

I think the difference in our positions is that you think people are born with a rigid, unchangeable "real" opinion, and I think opinions change according to the person's company.

Re:Facebook Makes Us Know Too Much About Each Other by kritiko on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @11:23AM (#29082599)
I think there's some nuance here. I might make sure that any prescription drugs or other sensitive items out of sight for guests even if I'm not ashamed of talking about this with some people...

But I think avoiding political conversations is best described by what I've seen called "social cooling" - I don't really care about litigating morality with family at Thanksgiving. We may have fundamental differences in our interpretation of reality and human behavior, but that doesn't make one of us an actual criminal.

Re:Facebook Makes Us Know Too Much About Each Other by MandieD on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @03:16PM (#29086122)
That’s how I handle visits back home. TV off, unless it’s sports or movies, and if one of them brings up anything political, I slam the brakes with, “So-and-so, you know that I love you, right?”

“Well, yes…”

“What have I said about talking about politics with people I love?”

“That you don’t.”

(Looking very forward to a frank conversation with my dad about his apparent need to keep a loaded handgun in his nightstand before we bring our toddler to visit, by which I mean, “actively dreading”)

Re:Facebook Makes Us Know Too Much About Each Other by mumblemumble on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @10:45AM (#29082040)
It's a feedback loop.

Put someone in an environment where social norms favor civility and respect, and they will generally become more civil and respectful over time. Put them in an environment where social norms favor tribalism and vitriol, and they will tend to become more tribal and vitriolic over time.

That said, I think we should be cautious about nostalgia for how things worked before the Internet. 30 years ago, people in socioeconomically homogenous communities might have been adept at being civil to and empathizing with their neighbors, but they perhaps also had a lot less opportunity to become aware of what was going on outside their bubbles.

Re:Facebook Makes Us Know Too Much About Each Other by standardUser on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @10:43AM (#29081990)
We have very strong social expectations when interacting with mixed company in any in-person setting. And zero social expectations when interacting online, where anything up to and including death threats seems acceptable to many.

Cars are an interesting in-between, where we're just barely removed from being in-person and as a result we tend to act far more rudely and dangerously than we would to someone's face.

Re:Facebook Makes Us Know Too Much About Each Other by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @10:14AM (#29081558)
> alot of the online vitrol dissipates when you have a chance to see them as a full person

But remove the physical proximity and the vitriol often re-animates.