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Re:Avoiding bot detection: How to scrape the web without get... by fragmede on Sunday October 31, 2021 @11:03PM (#29062655)
> -validating stolen credit card details

To be clear, "validating" is an industry euphemism for stealing, just for a different purpose. How do you validate the card is live? Run a real transaction through it and mark it based on the result. But what do you run for this real transaction? Well, whatever you want. Typically it'll be something to avoid suspicion as much as possible, but the thief gets to pick what they test it with, so why not pick something that they'll personally benefit from? There are so many online games with purchasable currency these days, it's hard to choose.

Re:Avoiding bot detection: How to scrape the web without get... by defer on Monday November 01, 2021 @02:27AM (#29063602)
Not exactly. Some people are in the business of gathering and selling valid credit cards.

They won't cash out on them or buy items. Instead, they'll collect cards from a source (skimming, hacking, whatever), validate them by adding them to a website that does an authorization (those $1 checks that never get committed). They can then sell them wholesale for a premium compared to non-verified cards.

Re:Avoiding bot detection: How to scrape the web without get... by vidarh on Monday November 01, 2021 @04:15AM (#29064161)
You'd think so, but I've personally had to find ways of blocking people who were buying premium services for an online service to validate cards.
Re:Avoiding bot detection: How to scrape the web without get... by defer on Monday November 01, 2021 @07:01AM (#29065165)
Oh, for sure. It's definitely not either/or. I've worked in fraud prevention software in the past and our clients would definitely see both.

I've been away from that world for a while but remember that more serious operations will separate the cashing out part (either money or goods) from their acquiring / validating operation because the former carries more risk.

There's also an interesting episode of the darknet diaries podcast (https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/85/) about card cloning which I found interesting.

Re:Avoiding bot detection: How to scrape the web without get... by dxdm on Monday November 01, 2021 @07:48AM (#29065480)
Doing tiny transactions to validate cards is a thing. I've seen this happen, it's a known problem, and that at other times it's larger transactions does not make it go away.
Re:Avoiding bot detection: How to scrape the web without get... by Mordisquitos on Monday November 01, 2021 @04:47AM (#29064309)
> How do you validate the card is live? Run a real transaction through it and mark it based on the result.

Not necessarily. Some online services, particularly shops that do home delivery, may give their customers the possibility of adding a card to their wallet and perform a verification as part of the process. As a result, it becomes possible to validate a stolen card number without performing an actual transaction.

Re:Avoiding bot detection: How to scrape the web without get... by ensiferum on Monday November 01, 2021 @05:17AM (#29064490)
My bank called as they had red flagged a suspicious charge on on my credit card. The sum was $0. The bank rep told me that this often flies under the radar and doesn't show up in some records and it indeed did not show up in my transaction history that i could see online in my banking details. But yeah the point was exactly the same. The fraudsters testing whether the charge goes through and the card is alive/valid.
Re:Avoiding bot detection: How to scrape the web without get... by todd8 on Monday November 01, 2021 @06:06AM (#29064781)
Did you verify that it really was the bank calling and not a scammer? I get calls and texts from “credit card fraud departments”, “banks”, “service warranty departments”, “Amazon billing”, “Microsoft security”, “Social Security Administration”, “IRS”, and others frequently; 95% are scammers.

The most amusing to me are the ones from “Microsoft” to alert me that they have detected malware on my computer.

Re:Avoiding bot detection: How to scrape the web without get... by ensiferum on Monday November 01, 2021 @01:23PM (#29069857)
Yes actually I think my bank sent me a message and asked me to call them. But either case it was all legitimate and my card was renewed.
Re:Avoiding bot detection: How to scrape the web without get... by Maxion on Monday November 01, 2021 @03:06AM (#29063800)
If you're trying to fight financial crime it's important to not simplify behavior seen in the wild. Like the other commented noted, there is a very clear difference in behaviour between those validating cards and those using cards in order to steal.