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Re:In 1783, an English rector predicted black holes using cl... by groos on Thursday October 28, 2021 @01:11PM (#29028425)
s/bequethed/bequeathed

:-)

Re:In 1783, an English rector predicted black holes using cl... by tomrod on Thursday October 28, 2021 @03:00PM (#29030110)
Not related to the discussion, but I love these verbal dualities.

give/take

inherit/bequeath

and so forth!

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What fantastic reasoning! I am constantly amazed at the early and current astronomers, able to work out fairly and increasingly accurate cosmological views from pinpoints of light.

Re:In 1783, an English rector predicted black holes using cl... by argomo on Thursday October 28, 2021 @03:13PM (#29030299)
Give/take duality is significant in the study of proto-indo/european language. IIRC, some root words took opposite meanings in their descendent languages. Some have gone so far as to speculate that this suggests reciprocality was an important culture expectation around gift-giving in PIE society.
Re:In 1783, an English rector predicted black holes using cl... by robocat on Thursday October 28, 2021 @03:24PM (#29030482)
In New Zealand 'borrow' can be used to mean lend (transitively).

'I will borrow you that book' means I will lend it to you, just to give an example of a word changing to its opposite meaning.

Re:In 1783, an English rector predicted black holes using cl... by macdice on Thursday October 28, 2021 @10:21PM (#29034471)
I'm in New Zealand and I've never heard that; I feel like I might have heard it somewhere when I lived in England though. There are definitely oddities in NZ though; the NZ press uses the word "trespass" in a very strange way that seems to be somehow backwards: https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/126753711/timaru-...

One I've noticed that is US vs UK/NZ/AU/...: "bring him with you" vs "take him with you", which has a directional component in British usage that I can't quite explain (away from the speaker maybe?) that the Americans don't do.

Re:In 1783, an English rector predicted black holes using cl... by gsinclair on Friday October 29, 2021 @11:36AM (#29039723)
“A woman who was trespassed by two Timaru supermarkets for failing to comply with mandatory mask wearing rules, …”

I’m Australian (NZ-adjacent) and have no idea what that means.

Re:In 1783, an English rector predicted black holes using cl... by macdice on Friday October 29, 2021 @04:17PM (#29043092)
From a nearby reply there is a clue that it's a new Americanism. I have to resist the urge to send a complaint... I'm not ready to become an old geezer who complains about things changing. But I admit that I grit my teeth when people talk about their 'gas bill' and I genuinely don't know whether they're talking about petrol or heating gas, or say "gotten" instead of "got", etc etc; there's no way to say "but we're supposed to use British words here" without sounding like an arse...
Re:In 1783, an English rector predicted black holes using cl... by monkeybutton on Thursday October 28, 2021 @10:45PM (#29034616)
French has the directional component specifically for people (amener vs emmener) which could have influenced British English like many other words and phrasings, or it could have just been lost/simplified in American English.
Re:In 1783, an English rector predicted black holes using cl... by cleansingfire on Thursday October 28, 2021 @11:21PM (#29034818)
I've heard trespass used that way in the US (prosecute for trespassing) by police officers. It surprised me, but was perfectly clear in context.
Re:In 1783, an English rector predicted black holes using cl... by int_19h on Sunday October 31, 2021 @06:32PM (#29061114)
I have never seen it used the way it's used in the article.
Re:In 1783, an English rector predicted black holes using cl... by diroussel on Thursday October 28, 2021 @03:43PM (#29030779)
Borrow is used like this some times in working class England too. But this form is frowned upon in more ‘educated’ circles.
Re:In 1783, an English rector predicted black holes using cl... by dll on Friday October 29, 2021 @04:56AM (#29036626)
It's quite often used this way in Wales. It makes a lot more sense when you realise that borrow and lend both translate to "benthyg" in Welsh.
Re:In 1783, an English rector predicted black holes using cl... by lisper on Thursday October 28, 2021 @09:23PM (#29034160)
In the U.S. South, "learn" can mean "teach", as in: "I'm gonna learn you some manners, young man!"
Re:In 1783, an English rector predicted black holes using cl... by jacquesm on Thursday October 28, 2021 @06:29PM (#29032848)
Same in Dutch. 'Ik leen geld van de bank. De bank leent geld aan mij.'
Re:In 1783, an English rector predicted black holes using cl... by Misdicorl on Thursday October 28, 2021 @03:51PM (#29030908)
Also super common in northern Wisconsin
Re:In 1783, an English rector predicted black holes using cl... by patrickk on Thursday October 28, 2021 @04:42PM (#29031669)
Perhaps because of the German influence?

Anecdotally, today in Germany, it’s really tricky for Germans with a very strong grasp of English to distinguish between ‘borrow’ and ‘lend’.

Re:In 1783, an English rector predicted black holes using cl... by verve_rat on Thursday October 28, 2021 @04:21PM (#29031396)
I'm a Kiwi. I've never heard it used like that?
Re:In 1783, an English rector predicted black holes using cl... by robocat on Friday October 29, 2021 @04:45PM (#29043316)
Rural South Island. I should have said I don't think it is at all common here. Perhaps it is just locally picked up from some Brits.
Re:In 1783, an English rector predicted black holes using cl... by foldingmoney on Thursday October 28, 2021 @05:42PM (#29032420)
likewise.
Re:In 1783, an English rector predicted black holes using cl... by hardlianotion on Friday October 29, 2021 @08:30AM (#29037652)
Borrow me your book quite common in Nigeria also
Re:In 1783, an English rector predicted black holes using cl... by pie_R_sqrd on Thursday October 28, 2021 @08:29PM (#29033848)
Spanish as well.