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Re:National Intelligence Estimate on Climate Change [pdf] by simion314 on Thursday October 28, 2021 @10:21AM (#29026455)
>How convenient to blame this all on climate change. Makes it easier for the incompetent, corrupt, and downright evil people running our governments, who created these disasters in the first place with their absurd policies, to "save us" with yet more absurd climate policies.

What absurd policies? I suspect you can blame the lack of policies , like those oil extraction where they buts soem excess gas just because it is not profitable enough to use it.

But I am waiting for you to please explain how an anarchy would have done better or some wild capitalist society with no legislation would have done better for the environment.

Re:National Intelligence Estimate on Climate Change [pdf] by furgooswft13 on Thursday October 28, 2021 @10:45AM (#29026693)
The environment is fine right now, and according to you, no policies have been in place to "help it". So I guess "anarchy" or "wild capitalism" works just fine.

The economy on the other hand is in total ruins, largely because of policies related to COVID-19, which also had a marginal impact on emissions. Imagine policies that have significant impacts...

Re:National Intelligence Estimate on Climate Change [pdf] by polotics on Thursday October 28, 2021 @11:07AM (#29026970)
Care to comment about "The environment is fine right now" are you really sure, where are you based?
Re:National Intelligence Estimate on Climate Change [pdf] by furgooswft13 on Thursday October 28, 2021 @11:15AM (#29027086)
I'm sure someone living in some smog ridden hellhole city might disagree, but that's a tiny tiny portion of Earth's livable landmass.

Weather has been temperate, rain plentiful, trees are (were) green and the birds are chirping. It did seem a bit hot last year but this year was much cooler in my area.

Take a walk outside, as far as you can away from human settlement. Nature is stunningly beautiful and does not care at all about human issues.

Re:National Intelligence Estimate on Climate Change [pdf] by simion314 on Thursday October 28, 2021 @01:19PM (#29028518)
I live in a village , there are for sure less insects, I rarely see butterflies anymore but don't trust me, there are scientists that put insect traps and measure things, (unless you believe on conspiracies of paid scientists by the green industry then you can continue to deny that things have gone worse.
Re:National Intelligence Estimate on Climate Change [pdf] by animal_spirits on Thursday October 28, 2021 @11:13AM (#29027058)
> The economy is in total ruins

Not quite. When was the last time you weren't able to buy bread?

Re:National Intelligence Estimate on Climate Change [pdf] by evol262 on Thursday October 28, 2021 @10:59AM (#29026877)
> The economy on the other hand is in total ruins, largely because of policies related to COVID-19, which also had a marginal impact on emissions.

This is the reddest of herrings. The government's role is to strive for the security and safety of its citizens. "Policies related to COVID-19" are part and parcel of that.

The economy is "in ruins" not because of "policies related to COVID-19", but because in striving for squeezing every last drop of profitability out of things, a "just-in-time" model was adopted for everything under the sun, which fell apart at the first real obstacle.

It's a supply-side crunch from the bottom of the chain on up. Companies which are depleted of capital in order to line people's pockets are unable to jumpstart the process fiscally, and decades of mistreating workers is backfiring as a labor shortage which *should* drive increased wages is leading only to calls for bailouts and government intervention, or _anything_ other than paying market wages.

Don't blame governments for unfettered capitalism being an ouroboros.

Re:National Intelligence Estimate on Climate Change [pdf] by furgooswft13 on Thursday October 28, 2021 @11:41AM (#29027402)
I blame governments (and media) for telling business they can't stay open, people that they can't work, and otherwise going out of their way to make basic aspects of life and work as difficult and bureaucratic as possible.

None of this was happening before 2020, despite the constant economic/climate doom porn that this place and others had been engaging in.

It took explicit government action and massive propaganda to get us into the fuckery we are in today. It did not happen because of climate change or "unfettered capitalism".

Re:National Intelligence Estimate on Climate Change [pdf] by simion314 on Thursday October 28, 2021 @01:26PM (#29028599)
>It took explicit government action and massive propaganda to get us into the fuckery we are in today. It did not happen because of climate change or "unfettered capitalism".

False, a government could have stopped international travel and fix the problem at it's root, but capitalists wanted to travel aroudn the world and now you pay more. Same shit with anarchist that protested like retards (at least in my country) that they don't want to use masks and today they are waiting 3 hours for a vaccine because the giant number of deaths in their family finally opened their minds.

So you are fucking wrong, greed and anarchy caused lot of death and financial lose, but I am 100% sure your scenario where everyone traveled without masks around the world and in public places is much better feel free to ignore reality too.

Re:National Intelligence Estimate on Climate Change [pdf] by furgooswft13 on Thursday October 28, 2021 @01:38PM (#29028767)
> but I am 100% sure your scenario where everyone traveled without masks around the world and in public places is much better

Add no lockdowns, mandates, or constant fear mongering; then yes, much better.

Re:National Intelligence Estimate on Climate Change [pdf] by simion314 on Thursday October 28, 2021 @01:47PM (#29028885)
>fear mongering

You imply that fear is unjustified, unfortunately here in Romania we can see what happens when conspiracy and no restrictions get combined, do a search on your trusted media and compare real numbers (hopefully your trusted media has real numbers)

Re:National Intelligence Estimate on Climate Change [pdf] by furgooswft13 on Thursday October 28, 2021 @02:03PM (#29029119)
Constant fear mongering propaganda would not be necessary if the fear was justified.
Re:National Intelligence Estimate on Climate Change [pdf] by simion314 on Thursday October 28, 2021 @02:38PM (#29029708)
Fuck dude, me and my son had COVID, I am vaccinated and still got it, he is still a child and I esitated to vaccinate, let me tell you I was afraid for our health and live and who knows how much will it take for our bodies to recover.

The only reason not to fear is if you have no family and maybe you already had COVID and feel invulnerable or if you are a retard ad think COVID is just like the flu.

Re:National Intelligence Estimate on Climate Change [pdf] by furgooswft13 on Thursday October 28, 2021 @03:06PM (#29030196)
I have also gotten sick on occasion.

Seems like you are a person prone to live in fear. Surely once you recover from your illness, you will continue to live in fear because of climate change, and if that was ever somehow resolved to your satisfaction, you'd find something else to provide your fear fix.

Hopefully your young son will grow above and beyond this negative influence, and maybe even teach you that there is more to life than constant anxiety and anger about the End Times. Good luck.

Re:National Intelligence Estimate on Climate Change [pdf] by simion314 on Thursday October 28, 2021 @03:18PM (#29030379)
Fear is normal when is justified! Fear prevents people to get killed by avoiding doing dangerous shit. But feel free to be courageous and go visit someone with COVID and then visit your entire family/friends, prove them all that is all fake and there is nothing to be afraid.