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Re:Many white students lied about their race to improve chan... by strogonoff on Wednesday October 27, 2021 @08:33AM (#29012407)
From the outside it seems frustrating that instead of addressing the underlying issue—indexing individual’s worth based on race (or other unalienable characteristics)—the solution is to keep applying the same logic, just assigning different weights to the output.

For example, financial aid should not depend on race, but on actual financial situation. If it happens to be generally worse for certain minorities, you’ve achieved your goal—and without using racial discrimination. Judging by one’s appearance seems like the lazy way out.

Re:Many white students lied about their race to improve chan... by bsanr2 on Wednesday October 27, 2021 @08:37AM (#29012446)
How would you propose to level the entrenched inequities if not by reversing the previously unequal distribution of scarce resources?
Re:Many white students lied about their race to improve chan... by raxxorrax on Wednesday October 27, 2021 @09:54AM (#29013298)
If we talk about inequities, why not use economic factors? Get the money from equity holders. Probably from BlackRock in this case, not from WhiteRock.
Re:Many white students lied about their race to improve chan... by bsanr2 on Thursday October 28, 2021 @08:17AM (#29025148)
Because race was an explicit and continues to be an implicit factor in separating the haves from the have-nots.

>Probably from BlackRock in this case, not from WhiteRock.

That's cultural appropriation.

Re:Many white students lied about their race to improve chan... by strogonoff on Thursday October 28, 2021 @04:42PM (#29031675)
Don’t you think this being a factor is exactly what should and could be addressed? (That is what my comment was about.)

If have-nots who are black miss out on financial aid (or something else) because they are black, then giving financial aid based on have/have-not status without considering the race sounds like the safest, most sustainable, and (importantly) most respectable way of going about it.

Explicitly avoiding favoring based on race strikes me as the surest way to eliminate the disparity (that which accumulated from decades of exactly such favoring), while attracting least pushback from across the political aisle.

I can’t imagine any reason for not doing this except for short-term optics, minority votes, etc.

Re:Many white students lied about their race to improve chan... by bsanr2 on Friday October 29, 2021 @10:17AM (#29038686)
No? The point is that poverty and financial weakness in the black community is a direct result of racist attacks on black economic activity, often carried out or backed by the government, and now practically self-sustaining by nature of the force and length of application. You right an off-balance body with equal and opposite force to the direction of momentum.
Re:Many white students lied about their race to improve chan... by strogonoff on Saturday October 30, 2021 @05:46AM (#29047412)
By “no”, do you mean you’re in favor of maintaining the status quo where race “continues to be an implicit factor”?

I fail to see how using financial weakness as discriminating factor would not address financial weakness in the black community.

Re:Many white students lied about their race to improve chan... by bsanr2 on Saturday October 30, 2021 @09:16PM (#29053670)
Because I've had this conversation in bad faith far too often, I would like for you to paraphrase what you think my argument has been up to this point, so that I may ascertain your ability or willingness to understand it.
Re:Many white students lied about their race to improve chan... by strogonoff on Sunday October 31, 2021 @04:03AM (#29055315)
Your argument—and I am paraphrasing it in a way that highlights what I fail to understand, as an outsider—seems to be that using race as discriminating factor in order to resolve disparities caused by using race as discriminating factor in the past is better than eliminating the use of race as discriminating factor altogether, and addressing those disparities in an unbiased way (e.g., dispense aid based on wealth, not race).
Re:Many white students lied about their race to improve chan... by bsanr2 on Sunday October 31, 2021 @02:51PM (#29059308)
Okay, and humor me: why might I have come to that conclusion? Note that I've actually already explained why, so there's no reason for you to "fail to understand." All you have to do is bring yourself to actually write it out, in your own words.
Re:Many white students lied about their race to improve chan... by raxxorrax on Friday October 29, 2021 @02:35AM (#29035842)
> That's cultural appropriation.

No. What culture is allegedly appropriated here? Random insinuations don't make a good argument.

Re:Many white students lied about their race to improve chan... by bsanr2 on Friday October 29, 2021 @09:54AM (#29038398)
It was a joke.