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Re:A patent troll backs off by kbenson on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @03:17PM (#29004938)
Fairy tales and folktales don't necessarily have a moral, which is a distinction from a fable or parable.

Sometimes it was just the ancient version of Squid Game, and people just wanted to hear or tell something entertaining.

Re:A patent troll backs off by kennywinker on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @03:28PM (#29005092)
I'm only two episode into squid game, but it's an add choice for an example of "just entertainment" since it is clearly a commentary on late stage capitalism.
Re:A patent troll backs off by kbenson on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @03:54PM (#29005438)
It's... interesting, in the end. They make some bold choices (which I rather liked, since you don't see choices of that type in American popular media as much), but even as commentary, I'm not sure there's a moral or lesson to come out of it rather than to just provoke thought and to entertain.

Put another way, it says a lot of things, and outlines a lot of problems, but I'm not sure it puts any solutions forth. That's probably a good thing IMO, as any solution presented in a program like that invariably seems trite to me, as it necessarily oversimplifies the problem so the solution proposed can work.

Re:A patent troll backs off by mlindner on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @08:07PM (#29008054)
I didn't see it that way at all but I've seen several people compare it to that and I still fail to see the comparison. The video has no relevance to capitalism at all. It's just a more violent version of very common asian tv variety shows where a bunch of contestants try to climb over obstacles or do random activities to reach the goal. Instead of getting shot though you fall into a pool of goo or water or something though instead and everyone gets a laugh watching the antics of the participants. Combine that additional violence with some heartfelt back story for the characters and you have squid game. It's really quite a simple story.

Keep in mind this is a Korean drama, not a western drama. "Late stage capitalism" is an English language/western world concept, not a universal one. (Even the term "late stage capitalism" implies that capitalism is somehow going to end, but commentators never clearly explain what system they think is better or what should replace it. Capitalism IMO is with us for the rest of humanity.)

Re:A patent troll backs off by toyg on Wednesday October 27, 2021 @12:01AM (#29009413)
> It's just a more violent version of very common asian tv variety shows

No, it's a version of such shows that you cannot escape from because of financial pressures on your life, despite likely ending in your death. That is the key - even when given a chance to get out, the overwhelming majority of participants embraces the game, because the alternative (being economically destitute, while lying to friends and family to keep up appearances) is seen as worse than death. It's literally "get rich or die trying".

The final revelations, about the game's origins and the fate of previous winners, add further elements of critique of "the system"; and the story arc of the "good son" is a critique of a (Korean) academic process that, while ostensibly promoting talent, ends up producing sharks.

Re:A patent troll backs off by girvo on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @08:23PM (#29008188)
You're directly contradicted by the writers of Squid Game. In fact the text itself directly spells out that it's influenced by South Korea's looming debt crisis and housing inequality. I'm surprised you missed that, frankly.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-16/squid-game-on-netflix...

Re:A patent troll backs off by iakh on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @10:24PM (#29008917)
Your article does not quote or cite the writers or creators of the show though?
Re:A patent troll backs off by hnzix on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @10:36PM (#29008981)
From TFA: But for many South Koreans, the homegrown Netflix series is not just riveting entertainment. Behind the violence and horror, it has captured long-held anxieties and brought them to life on screen. It has also sparked a debate in South Korea about the exploding personal debt and widening inequality consuming this nation.
Re:A patent troll backs off by kapp_in_life on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @11:54PM (#29009365)
"many South Koreans" might include the creators but I would prefer if they could find a tweet or a Korean interview with the creators to actually be sure.
Re:A patent troll backs off by girvo on Wednesday October 27, 2021 @12:29AM (#29009554)
Good news, I provided that in a reply above. Two of them, in fact.
Re:A patent troll backs off by girvo on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @11:42PM (#29009301)
In the 30 seconds I spent looking for it, I couldn't find the direct interview that I read, but this one was illustrative enough.

But here: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/oct/26/squid-g...

“It’s not profound! It’s very simple! I do believe that the overall global economic order is unequal and that around 90% of the people believe that it’s unfair. During the pandemic, poorer countries can’t get their people vaccinated. They’re contracting viruses on the streets and even dying. So I did try to convey a message about modern capitalism. As I said, it’s not profound.”

And here's another one: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/06/business/economy/squid-ga...

“The stories and the problems of the characters are extremely personalized but also reflect the problems and realities of Korean society,” Hwang Dong-hyuk, the show’s creator, said in an email. He wrote the script as a film in 2008, when many of these trends had become evident, but overhauled it to reflect new worries, including the impact of the coronavirus. (Minyoung Kim, the head of content for the Asia-Pacific region at Netflix, said the company was in talks with Mr. Hwang about producing a second season.)

Re:A patent troll backs off by Igelau on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @04:42PM (#29006003)
It might seem like it's going that way at first. I wouldn't say it's a commentary on late-stage capitalism as much as that's just part of the setting.
Re:A patent troll backs off by hnzix on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @07:05PM (#29007516)
It's possible to comment on something without overexplaining it using voiceovers and exposition.

It's a recurring theme in Korean media eg Parasite and Snowpiercer.

Re:A patent troll backs off by kapp_in_life on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @11:57PM (#29009381)
You've picked two films by a single Korean director who is outspoken about his views, which his hardly a good way to show it's a recurring theme across the media in general.

I could pick Atlanta and The Wire and say American media is commonly critical of police. Or turn around and pick CSI and Law & Order and say that American media is commonly supportive of police. It hardly says something about the overall landscape. And thats even picking shows with different directors!