Seriously. Recently I participated in a community clean up event. 99% of what we picked us was cigarette butts. It is insane how much trash and litter smokers create.

Some cigarette butt's biodegrade, most don't. I'd be in favor of a law to make them all have to be biodegradable.

Still should just throw the damn things away, but changing human behaviour is difficult.

I imagine you apply the same hate (your word) to all people who use plastics, because some of them don't use the trash bin? Frankly, I see more plastic waste in the places you mentioned than cig butts, at least in 2021. Could be a regional thing too.

Yes, I hate litterers too, but most people don't litter, almost all smokers litter (probably the plastic too), so I'm inclined to be biased against them.

Also, for those of us unfortunate enough to live in apartments, tobacco smoke from neighbors gets into every open window and into ventilation shafts. I have to leave the air purifier running even when the outside air is fine because of this.

>Also, for those of us unfortunate enough to live in apartments, tobacco smoke from neighbors gets into every open window and into ventilation shafts. I have to leave the air purifier running even when the outside air is fine because of this.

Smoke-free buildings[0][1] are becoming more common. Perhaps you might consider moving to such a building?

[0] https://no-smoke.org/frequently-asked-questions-housing-prov...

[1] https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/health/health-topics/smoking-s...

Add pet owners to the list :(. Germany seems to have a dog tax or something like that.

I smoke about 1 cigarette a day and I always make it point to throw the butt away. I think they should be made with biodegradable filters at least

Toward the end of my smoking I was like this. Before I only smoked when I worked on cars - always my house or a friends'.

>at least 90% of smokers are like this

Please provide a source of data for this assertion. Thanks!

Things that are universally witnessed have low need of citation.

In this case it seems unlikely that >10% of smokers consistently transport their butts as long as it takes to find a receptacle. Outside of Scouting or military facilities, it's so rare that it commands attention.

>In this case it seems unlikely that >10% of smokers consistently transport their butts as long as it takes to find a receptacle. Outside of Scouting or military facilities, it's so rare that it commands attention.

Your assertion is a reasonable one, especially as it doesn't claim that specific numbers of people participate in a particular behavior.

However, GP stated unequivocally that "at least 90% of smokers are like this"

That assertion can't be supported by facts/data AFAIK.

I suppose you could argue that GP was being hyperbolic, but as the old saw goes, "claims require evidence and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

Take from that what you will.

> However, GP stated unequivocally that "at least 90% of smokers are like this"

This seems like a technical gotcha that has little to do with his overall point. Not all low-hanging fruit is worth picking.

>This seems like a technical gotcha that has little to do with his overall point. Not all low-hanging fruit is worth picking.

That's as may be. But as a smoker, I took offense to their characterization of me.

Call it whatever you like, but I don't appreciate being berated -- especially when such insults aren't valid.

As I said, take from that what you will.

Great, you're in the 10%, but if you know other smokers, you know they throw their butts on the ground at least some of the time, I've seen smokers do it when a receptacle was 5 feet away. I was being hyperbolic, but having witnessed thousands of smokers in my lifetime, especially from when I was young, I'm pretty sure I have a decent sample size. All of them threw their butts on the ground, giving them 10% that didn't was being generous to people like you, which are basically unicorns as far as I'm concerned.

You're painting a whole bunch of people you don't know with a broad brush.

I hate people who do that.

Doesn't mean he's wrong.