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Re:10% of households pay more than 80% of taxes on alcohol a... by lotsofpulp on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @01:40PM (#29003504)
How about increased taxpayer funded healthcare costs?

Note that, politically, there is no problem collecting higher premiums for tobacco use. But apparently alcohol was not politically unpopular enough to be a factor allowed when pricing an individual’s insurance premiums. Or vaccination status.

Re:10% of households pay more than 80% of taxes on alcohol a... by beerandt on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:19PM (#29004132)
>How about increased taxpayer funded healthcare costs?

A known cost of socialized medicine.

Unless you want to go down the road of justifying any government coercion or loss of freedom as a taxpayer cost saving measure.

Re:10% of households pay more than 80% of taxes on alcohol a... by lotsofpulp on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:21PM (#29004165)
My point was that

> but requiring taxes to cover the negative externalities from vice is fine, e.g. funding DUI checkpoints).

Is not as simple as it may sound.

Re:10% of households pay more than 80% of taxes on alcohol a... by mimikatz on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @01:49PM (#29003648)
Subtract it from the lower social security costs
Re:10% of households pay more than 80% of taxes on alcohol a... by lotsofpulp on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:04PM (#29003883)
To be consistent, I would then also want to get into opting out of end of life healthcare which is where a huge, if not majority, of healthcare spend is.
Re:10% of households pay more than 80% of taxes on alcohol a... by conception on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:05PM (#29003906)
Social security is not paid by other taxes. It's its own fund.
Re:10% of households pay more than 80% of taxes on alcohol a... by lotsofpulp on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:07PM (#29003930)
I do not find that clerical accounts for government expenses matter for practical purposes. Nominally, they can have various funding sources, but a politically popular expense will get its funding from somewhere, somehow.

It seems prudent to just treat all monies paid to the federal government as taxes, and all services/products received from the federal government as a whole when accounting for it as an individual taxpayer.

Re:10% of households pay more than 80% of taxes on alcohol a... by skeeter2020 on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:16PM (#29004058)
keeping very sick people alive if way more expensive than keeping older people alive.
Re:10% of households pay more than 80% of taxes on alcohol a... by rsj_hn on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @06:43PM (#29007327)
Except tobacco use does not increase healthcare costs and in fact reduces them, due to people dying earlier and more quickly.
Re:10% of households pay more than 80% of taxes on alcohol a... by lotsofpulp on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @07:26PM (#29007714)
Perhaps for the age 65+ risk pool under Medicare (mostly taxpayer funded healthcare), but probably not for the under age 65 risk pools. Or at least I am not aware of tobacco causing significant mortality before age 65.
Re:10% of households pay more than 80% of taxes on alcohol a... by rsj_hn on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @07:28PM (#29007746)
Overall. This is not hard to verify with some googling -- I posted some links in another comment:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29005498

Re:10% of households pay more than 80% of taxes on alcohol a... by lowbloodsugar on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:09PM (#29003946)
Edit: deleted. Misunderstood authors point.
Re:10% of households pay more than 80% of taxes on alcohol a... by jackson1442 on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:15PM (#29004045)
I don't think this is quite the argument you make it out to be, as we already have higher insurance premiums for smokers. Likewise, high-risk people are ineligible for organ transplants.

Really, anything can be a slippery slope if we want to look at it through that lens, but it's often not appropriate. This is one of those cases.

Re:10% of households pay more than 80% of taxes on alcohol a... by lotsofpulp on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:13PM (#29004016)
> people who take a car when they could take a bus, anyone who makes an unnecessary journey to do something that they benefit from such as church,

Some states sort of do this by requiring purchase of personal injury protection (PIP) from the auto insurer.