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Re:Is college worth it? A return-on-investment analysis by tzs on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @01:10PM (#29003060)
John Adams had it right in a letter he wrote from Paris, France in 1780 to his wife Abigail who was back in the US [1].

> I could fill Volumes with Descriptions of Temples and Palaces, Paintings, Sculptures, Tapestry, Porcelaine, &c. &c. &c. -- if I could have time. But I could not do this without neglecting my duty. The Science of Government it is my Duty to study, more than all other Sciences: the Art of Legislation and Administration and Negotiation, ought to take Place, indeed to exclude in a manner all other Arts. I must study Politicks and War that my sons may have liberty to study Mathematicks and Philosophy. My sons ought to study Mathematicks and Philosophy, Geography, natural History, Naval Architecture, navigation, Commerce and Agriculture, in order to give their Children a right to study Painting, Poetry, Musick, Architecture, Statuary, Tapestry and Porcelaine.

We've just gotten a bit stuck at the middle step.

[1] https://www.masshist.org/digitaladams/archive/doc?id=L178005...

Re:Is college worth it? A return-on-investment analysis by freeopinion on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @08:16PM (#29008124)
John Adams was not a poor starving college student in Paris. He had graduated from Harvard 25 years earlier. He was, however, very committed to his purpose. And probably over-compensating for frat house Ben.
Re:Is college worth it? A return-on-investment analysis by sershe on Thursday October 28, 2021 @10:40AM (#29026644)
Interesting, my take on this quote was always sorta the reverse - the one based on Ibn Khaldun; Adams should have added add "so that their children would again have to study Politicks and War".

I wish we could get stuck on the 2nd stage forever! But I feel like we are well into the 3rd stage and may be on the way back to the 1st ;)

Re:Is college worth it? A return-on-investment analysis by vmception on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:27PM (#29004245)
sort of? Many people study the final steps, it just needs to be an objective decision, and somehow it just isn't for most of the US college attending population.