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Re:Hertz orders 100k Teslas by TeMPOraL on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @03:33AM (#28997440)
The major manufacturers still might catch up - once they really start caring. I agree with the posters elsewhere in the thread that predict the fossil fuel industries will collapse rapidly, rather than gradually - and the way I see it, major car manufacturers are still mostly trying to extract as much value now as possible from the ICE market.

But once the floor falls off? They won't go gentle into that good night. I expect a wave of bailouts, consolidation and rapid retooling (and playing every dirty trick in the MBA book there is). I wouldn't discount the possibility that some of the survivors will have enough infrastructure and engineering competence remaining to quickly become a serious competitor for Tesla. In parallel, Tesla itself may fall prey to one of many ways companies decay over time. And then, of course, there's China.

But all in all, as long as Tesla's current performance pushes EVs over the threshold of market acceptability (which I believe it did a few years ago) and gives it some serious momentum, it's "mission fucking accomplished", regardless of who's the market leader in 10 or 20 years.

Re:Hertz orders 100k Teslas by jjeaff on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @04:36AM (#28997864)
The new all electrics from all the big auto companies are pretty good. As long as they do well enough to keep producing them, it will be incremental improvement year after year. I think Tesla has a good lead, but there is not going to be much value difference in a car that can go 600 miles on a single charge vs 300 miles. Or 0-60 even faster than 2.5 seconds. Once the big makers get within spitting distance of a Tesla EV (and I think they already are there). They will be able to really start eating into that market as their ICE market starts to fade.
Re:Hertz orders 100k Teslas by teorema on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @07:10AM (#28998848)
Yeah I sometimes think the rhetoric doesn't map onto reality:

https://www.auto123.com/en/news/best-selling-electric-cars-w...

https://www.torquenews.com/1083/these-evs-declined-sales-ame...

Tesla clearly deserves a lot of credit but I think the EV space is a lot more fluid than some Tesla proponents would have you believe.

As EV adoption increases into more markets, buyers are going to be more price conscious, and plenty of makers (most of the big companies?) already have a foot in this space. Add missteps with safety or reliability in the long term (see: defrauding the Dutch government and the public about safety) and I think things might change quickly. Tesla isn't going anywhere but the idea that Tesla is the future EV market seems dishonest, naive, or both.

Re:Hertz orders 100k Teslas by KptMarchewa on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @07:18AM (#28998908)
It's only a start for them when they'll start caring. Arguably, Volkswagen has been caring for a few years and they are just starting to produce decent EVs, somewhat comparable to Tesla.
Re:Hertz orders 100k Teslas by foepys on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @07:39AM (#28999096)
It took VW so long because they developed a platform rather than individual cars for their dozen brands.