> Real whistleblowers go into exile or jail

That's some errr, interesting gatekeeping you're doing there? Whistleblowing CAN have consequences, but it SHOULDN'T because they're revealing amoral behaviour kept secret. This is why whistleblower protection schemes are a thing pretty much everywhere, including for example anonymous crime reporting hotlines.

your name ends up on a report for anonymous crime reporting hotlines. at least here in the pnw. it is said on a few different police websites. so even crime reporting hotlines don’t protect their whistleblowers

You are absolutely correct. Real whistleblowers are tortured or in prison or on the run or face serious consequences. They don't have PR consultants and salutations of the establishment. In fact the establishment is going after FB to control and censor it MORE!!!

Where did this bizzarro alternative definition of "whistleblower" come from? You realize that the US government has had programs for a long time now that specifically pay whistleblowers a percentage of fines received in order to encourage people to rat out illegal behavior. Some of those people have been paid multiple millions.

Now, whistleblowing against the government is always a dicier proposition, but that's certainly not the only definition of whistleblower.

It's not literally part of the definition of "whistleblower", but it's evidence that you should be really suspicious. If your whistleblower has too much backing, odds are that there's actually someone to gain from the whistleblowing who is doing things from the shadows that you might not be too fond of if they were out in the open.

If the whistleblower has too much backing, odds are also that the company is not particularly bad and the company's being targeted for other reasons. It's a type of shakedown: everyone in the Mafia is a criminal, but when one Mafia family becomes disfavored, the police magically get a full report of their crimes, crack down on it "because we need to get hard on crime", and the other families consolidate their power. Yeah, the disfavored family actually committed the crimes that they're suddenly being arrested for, but the overall effect of the crackdown is not a reduction in crime.

The "whistleblowers" reporting on Facebook are doing so because someone with a lot of influence wants them to. Maybe the government, maybe internal pro-censorship Facebook factions, maybe the press, maybe an actual outside rival. But the ultimate goal of whoever it is is more censorship, but of the proper type.

> Real whistleblowers are tortured or in prison or on the run or face serious consequences.

That is not a defining characteristic of a whistle-blower. It's sadly still a common consequence to take the risk of that, especially if you blow the whistle upon a state, which is not the case here.

But characteristic and common consequence are not the same thing at all.

What's with all the effort to discredit this source?

>What's with all the effort to discredit this source?

If you don't think FB would organize a pro-FB shill campaign, you haven't been paying attention.

The tell is the ad hominum "not a real whistleblower"/"has a PR team" (as if FB doesn't) attacks without any corresponding claims (much less any evidence) that the information is in any way incorrect.

It's a rhetorical question. But thanks for answering it anyway, I do not disagree.

Fair enough on it being rhetorical; FWIW, I didn't mean to single out 'you' - I should have phrased it "If anyone doesn't think.../they haven't been..."

I'll add that it's not necessary for a "shill campaign" to "win" the argument, merely to add enough doubt that a consensus is not reached. Manufacturing doubt is a standard tactic (1)

Or failing that, one could make the comments such a shit-show that HN decides to flag the whole story off the front page, as is their right.

You'll have to make up your own mind as to if that's happening today and on other days, as specific accusations are frowned upon in the site terms (2)

1)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doubt_Is_Their_Product

https://pluralistic.net/2021/06/10/flicc/

2)

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> If I had my guess, she’s being paid by FB likely.

Facebook is paying her to portray FB as a bad guy. I don’t follow the logic, what am I missing?

FB has repeatedly stated that they don't want to be the arbiter of what speech is and is not allowed on their service. It's a huge burden in their eyes to have to make and enforce policy, especially in a competitive landscape where other companies may reach different conclusions.

FB would love for the US gov to step in and lay out clear guidelines about user generated content that would be applied universally to them and all their competitors.

I doubt FB would want a government telling them what to do. I mean thanks to the GDPR on the one end and Apple on the other, they really had to tone down the gathering of their primary source of income - user data. They would not have done those voluntarily. And I'm convinced they have teams working full time on how to circumvent these rules.

Censor "wrong-think" without blame and create a moat that smaller players will have a hard time crossing. Win-win.

>I doubt FB would want a government telling them what to do. I mean thanks to the GDPR on the one end and Apple on the other, they really had to tone down the gathering of their primary source of income - user data.

you're assuming the regulations would revolve around privacy/tracking. I think politicians/the public care far less about that, and more about censorship/"destroying democracy" or whatever.

facebook wants to play the role of poor tech company oppressed by regulation, but once social media reforms are legislated they’ll be the only company that can afford compliance.

Two words: regulatory capture.

Well, the point of all this is for Facebook to censor a lot more stuff than it does now. Seems plausible to me that Zuckerberg wants that too, but to retain the appearance of having his hands tied by regulation.

>Real whistleblowers go into exile or jail,

Huh, there are laws protecting whistleblowers, especially those with FAANG income and good lawyers.

>especially those with FAANG income and good lawyers.

I doubt a few years of FAANG salary (minus bay area CoL) can get you a crack team of PR consultants and lawyers.

It can get you in a much better position than working for waste disposal Inc that does illegal stuff.

Afaik the PR comes from a wistleblower plattform.

Or in this case politicians hate Facebook for different reasons and they wanted to capitalize on it.

Whistleblowers that go to jail are the anti state and anti (some industry) Whistleblowers.